[Wills2]

Widdecombe showing us she's finally lost touch with reality, comparing the EU with slavery.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48869520

I'm constantly amazed at the contents of a Brexiters mind and to think many of them walk amongst us.

[TodmordenLad]

Originally Posted by Wills2

Widdecombe showing us she's finally lost touch with reality, comparing the EU with slavery.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48869520

I'm constantly amazed at the contents of a Brexiters mind and to think many of them walk amongst us.

A new low in the ongoing Brexit farce, Widdecombe is deranged

[Skwirrel]

Originally Posted by TodmordenLad

A new low in the ongoing Brexit farce, Widdecombe is deranged

Taking on the bat shit crazy mantle from Diane Abbott

[Bryans69]

Originally Posted by Wills2

Widdecombe showing us she's finally lost touch with reality, comparing the EU with slavery.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48869520

I'm constantly amazed at the contents of a Brexiters mind and to think many of them walk amongst us.

Yep. Just when you think it couldn't get any worse

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by Bryans69

Yep. Just when you think it couldn't get any worse

It's so embarrassing.

[Tengocity]

So Labour seems to eventually moving towards a Remain position.... any staunch Remainers prepared to vote for Corbyn if it avoids Brexit happening then?

[TodmordenLad]

It's not altogether clear what he has stated so maybe someone else can elucidate.
It seems that Corbyn is essentially still on the same fence he's been sat on for three years
He will however now support a second referendum on any deal before we leave at end of Oct and in particular if faced with a no deal but if elected, would attempt to negotiate a fresh brexit deal to leave.
He's been anti EU all his political career and he's only acting now under duress - and rather obviously so - given what happened to Labour in the European elections, their record low ratings in the latest yougov polls and their potential annihilation in an early snap GE
In short, he's no less of a c**t than he's always been

[JD6]

Originally Posted by Tengocity

So Labour seems to eventually moving towards a Remain position.... any staunch Remainers prepared to vote for Corbyn if it avoids Brexit happening then?

Corbyn is a piece of shit, but stopping a no deal Brexit takes priority for me over stopping Corbyn, so I might hold my nose and vote Labour if they are in a better position than the Remain alternatives in my constituency. An additional factor is that our Labour candidate is particularly dire!

[TodmordenLad]

And wouldn't vote Labour where I live, which is a Labour stronghold. Local Labour MP is well nigh useless so a LibDem vote for me

[MashinBenzin]

Originally Posted by JD6

Corbyn is a piece of shit, but stopping a no deal Brexit takes priority for me over stopping Corbyn, so I might hold my nose and vote Labour if they are in a better position than the Remain alternatives in my constituency. An additional factor is that our Labour candidate is particularly dire!

Likewise here. I'd probably be hoping for a Labour/Libdem coalition as an outcome of any GE.

[JNW1]

Originally Posted by Tengocity

So Labour seems to eventually moving towards a Remain position.... any staunch Remainers prepared to vote for Corbyn if it avoids Brexit happening then?

It will be very interesting to see what position Labour adopt if there's a General Election and we've still not left the EU. As you say, in that scenario the indications are they'd campaign for Remain and would seek to over-turn the result of the 2016 referendum (presumably by having a further referendum although they could argue a victory in the GE would give them a mandate to simply revoke A50 if that's what they pledge to do in their manifesto).

However, while it's true to say a majority of Labour voters supported Remain in 2016, the reality is a lot of their constituencies voted Leave and hence they'd be potentially quite exposed to losing a number of seats if they nailed their colours to the Remain mast. It's therefore a risky policy change for Corbyn to adopt albeit he's clearly being pushed in that direction by a number of his colleagues.....

[JD6]

Originally Posted by RichMB

Likewise here. I'd probably be hoping for a Labour/Libdem coalition as an outcome of any GE.

That would be the ideal outcome. The Lib Dems could act as a moderating force to prevent the more extreme left policies getting through. The 2010-15 Tory / Lib Dem coalition was largely a pretty sensible government from my perspective, with the Lib Dems acting to moderate harder right policies and ensure they remained on the centre ground.

I suspect that the Lib Dems would be cautious of becoming a junior coalition partner again, after the punishment they received for 2010-15. Perhaps they would just dig their heels in a bit more to avoid repeating the damage done by backing the tripling of university tuition fees.

[Wills2]

A Liberal/Labour government would be an unmitigated disaster, 1977 anyone? That led to the winter of discontent people have short memories or are too young to remember a real labour government let alone the dithering mess that a coalition of those two would visit on the country.

The Liberals have lost many of their leading lights since the Tory/Lib government and the Labour front benches are packed with trots and last man standing halfwits.

Talk about being between the devil and the deep blue sea.

[mcoops]

Hopefully the continued fuckwittery will eventually destroy both Boris and Corbyn and we will get some saner replacements. Boris will either fail to deliver Brexit and alienate the Tory membership, or crash out and alienate the electorate. Corbyn will eventually have to decide which part of his base he wants to piss off. I think there's an decent chance neither will be in charge of their respective parties this time next year.

[JD6]

Originally Posted by Wills2

A Liberal/Labour government would be an unmitigated disaster, 1977 anyone? That led to the winter of discontent people have short memories or are too young to remember a real labour government let alone the dithering mess that a coalition of those two would visit on the country.

The Liberals have lost many of their leading lights since the Tory/Lib government and the Labour front benches are packed with trots and last man standing halfwits.

Talk about being between the devil and the deep blue sea.

My view of 1977-79 is shaped by the fact that I was under 10 and grew up in a strongly Liberal-supporting household. In fact I recall the day in May 1979 when Thatcher was elected - there was a feeling that something truly catastrophic had just happened. Being 9 years old, it was a relief a few days later that the world seemed to be carrying on as it had before!

I accept that having Corbyn in power, even with the Lib Dems as coalition partners, could be pretty chaotic and would not be good for the UK. But the last few years under the Tories have been a complete dithering mess as well, so if the choice is chaos and no Brexit under Lab/Lib, or chaos and a hard Brexit under Boris, I'll take the former.

[isleaiw1]

Originally Posted by JD6

My view of 1977-79 is shaped by the fact that I was under 10 and grew up in a strongly Liberal-supporting household. In fact I recall the day in May 1979 when Thatcher was elected - there was a feeling that something truly catastrophic had just happened. Being 9 years old, it was a relief a few days later that the world seemed to be carrying on as it had before!

I accept that having Corbyn in power, even with the Lib Dems as coalition partners, could be pretty chaotic and would not be good for the UK. But the last few years under the Tories have been a complete dithering mess as well, so if the choice is chaos and no Brexit under Lab/Lib, or chaos and a hard Brexit under Boris, I'll take the former.

If Corbyn gets in I wont care as I will be looking for somewhere else to live before he decides that people with pensions and houses need to have them confiscated for the good of the masses....

Wish they would have the good grace to call themselves Momentum and not Labour as they are not the Labour party we remember. At least Tony B had the good grace to change the name when the New Labour party nicked the Tory centre ground and got elected....

[TodmordenLad]

Originally Posted by isleaiw1

If Corbyn gets in I wont care as I will be looking for somewhere else to live before he decides that people with pensions and houses need to have them confiscated for the good of the masses....

Wish they would have the good grace to call themselves Momentum and not Labour as they are not the Labour party we remember. At least Tony B had the good grace to change the name when the New Labour party nicked the Tory centre ground and got elected....

I know how you feel. Corbyn's tax plans for wealth, property and land are draconian. His brand of hard-left socialism would be unlike anything this country has ever experienced before. The brainwashed of Momentum realise this and crave it of course. Not sure how many other old school Labour supporters do though. I was telling a Labour supporting friend of mine who is reasonably well off about comrade Corbyn's plans and the blood drained from his face as the realisation dawned.
The problem with moving abroad is the fact that you have to take your assets with you if you want to escape his clutches. But you probably know this already

[TodmordenLad]

Originally Posted by isleaiw1

If Corbyn gets in I wont care as I will be looking for somewhere else to live before he decides that people with pensions and houses need to have them confiscated for the good of the masses....

Wish they would have the good grace to call themselves Momentum and not Labour as they are not the Labour party we remember. At least Tony B had the good grace to change the name when the New Labour party nicked the Tory centre ground and got elected....

I know how you feel. Corbyn's tax plans for wealth, property and land are draconian. His brand of hard-left socialism would be unlike anything this country has ever experienced before. The brainwashed of Momentum realise this and crave it of course. Not sure how many other old school Labour supporters do though. I was telling a Labour supporting friend of mine who is reasonably well off about comrade Corbyn's plans and the blood drained from his face as the realisation dawned.
The problem with moving abroad is the fact that you have to take your assets with you if you want to escape Corbyn's clutches. But you probably know this already

[JNW1]

Originally Posted by TodmordenLad

Corbyn's tax plans for wealth, property and land are draconian.

Out of interest what are they then? Can't say I've ever bothered investigating as I've never given serious consideration to the idea a Corbyn government would ever be elected; however, I suppose it becomes a possibility (albeit IMO still a remote one) if otherwise sane people are prepared to vote for him in order to stop a no deal Brexit!

[TodmordenLad]

Originally Posted by JNW1

Out of interest what are they then? Can't say I've ever bothered investigating as I've never given serious consideration to the idea a Corbyn government would ever be elected; however, I suppose it becomes a possibility (albeit IMO still a remote one) if otherwise sane people are prepared to vote for him in order to stop a no deal Brexit!

Blimey, it's a long list, JNW. There's plenty of detail online but expect big increases in corporation tax, personal income tax, capital gains tax, big changes to inheritance tax and how it works (incl elimination of 7 year rule and ability to gift people eg children), new taxes on property and land incl gardens, big changes for private landlords, new taxes on pensions and related allowances etc etc. It's not a return to the 70's, it's far worse than that. It's a new place we've never been to and if you've worked hard all your life to provide for yourself and your family and to have a decent lifestyle, you can expect to be clobbered. I won't be voting for Corbyn under any circumstances.

[TodmordenLad]

Originally Posted by Wills2

A Liberal/Labour government would be an unmitigated disaster, 1977 anyone? That led to the winter of discontent people have short memories or are too young to remember a real labour government let alone the dithering mess that a coalition of those two would visit on the country.

The Liberals have lost many of their leading lights since the Tory/Lib government and the Labour front benches are packed with trots and last man standing halfwits.

Talk about being between the devil and the deep blue sea.

The devil and the deep blue sea is a nice way of putting it, Wills. Very restrained
The choice between the country being f*cked over by Johnson's version of Brexit vs. the country being f*cked over by Corbyn's version of Brexit (were he to win a snap GE and renegotiate an EU exit deal as he has confirmed he would) is no choice whatsoever. However, Johnson's might be marginally less catastrophic for the economy. I say 'might', taking into account the scale of Corbyn's economic illiteracy. Comrade Corbyn's tax reform plans are draconian as well, just to make matters worse.
The devil and the deep blue sea indeed

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by TodmordenLad

The devil and the deep blue sea is a nice way of putting it, Wills. Very restrained
The choice between the country being f*cked over by Johnson's version of Brexit vs. the country being f*cked over by Corbyn's version of Brexit (were he to win a snap GE and renegotiate an EU exit deal as he has confirmed he would) is no choice whatsoever. However, Johnson's might be marginally less catastrophic for the economy. I say 'might', taking into account the scale of Corbyn's economic illiteracy. Comrade Corbyn's tax reform plans are draconian as well, just to make matters worse.
The devil and the deep blue sea indeed

It's a nightmare, watching Boris bumble and pontificate his way through the debate the other night was surreal, behind that exterior he's a ruthless operator I've no doubt but it's just all lies he's going to renegotiate nothing.

I've seen people talking about him as a Churchill for the modern age which is so historically illiterate it's laughable.

The other option is even worse we'll be going cap in hand to the IMF within a couple of years, interest rates will soar and the pound will tank whilst the wealthy leave in droves and Britain grinds to a halt it doesn't even bare thinking about, Brexit and a government run by what are effectively enemies of the state.