Madeleine McCann

Wills2 · 03-17-2019, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Hooded

Yep, same for us late 70s and early 80s .. it was the norm.

Also a good slap across the legs when we were naughty did us no harm but taught us discipline.

I used to mock my mum saying.....That didn't hurt!

We were routinely hit at school as well, picked up by our ears, slapped, pushed and poked about, there was a fair bit of violence in the play ground as well, school was a bit like a prison apart from the fact you got to go home at the end of the day. Great days!

Still what doesn't kill you makes you stronger....

Wills2 · 03-17-2019, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Goneinsixtyseconds

And, weirdly, I lose one very good disciplinary tool if I do. Currently if he ever lashes out at me, which all young children occasionally do, I ask him if he thinks it's ok, and do I ever hit him. He has to say no. Wouldn't work very well if he said yes.

Believe me you didn't lash out at your father in 70's I waited until the 90's and landed one right on the buggers chin.

Although I do wonder what all these children are going to do when they leave home and stop being asked and start being told, it's going to be quite a shock for some of them.

Hooded · 03-17-2019, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Goneinsixtyseconds

Although, from your point of view, I'm probably wasting time and energy, would be back to my pint much quicker with a quick smack and tears.

Completely blowing what I said out of proportion there, and a typical response from you when someone has a difference of opinion to you on this forum

Goneinsixtyseconds · 03-17-2019, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Wills2

Believe me you didn't lash out at your father in 70's I waited until the 90's and landed one right on the buggers chin.

Although I do wonder what all these children are going to do when they leave home and stop being asked and start being told, it's going to be quite a shock for some of them.

I still don't get it. My sons get told firmly when it's required, not asked, it just doesn't require a hit to go with it.

Last time I checked you generally don't get hit by your employers when you start work either.

As far as I can work out it's pretty simple. Hitting teaches you to fear those stronger than you, and hit those that aren't. Nothing else.

I can't work out how it teaches respect.

Hooded · 03-17-2019, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Wills2

We were routinely hit at school as well, picked up by our ears, slapped, pushed and poked about, there was a fair bit of violence in the play ground as well, school was a bit like a prison apart from the fact you got to go home at the end of the day. Great days!

Still what doesn't kill you makes you stronger....

Absolutely

It was a Similar experience in our school too!

I guess we were born at a time when men were men and J R Hartley wrote books about fly fishing

Goneinsixtyseconds · 03-18-2019, 02:24 AM

I went to school in the 70's and 80's too.

My teacher for the final year of junior school was a mean fucker just getting ready for retirement, so taught in the 40's and 50's.

On the first day of the year he asked everyone to stand up individually and tell him something that happened in the summer holidays. One boy refused several times, looking pretty distressed.

The "old school" teacher wasn't having any if this namby pamby behaviour. He forced him to get up. And the boy said, "in the summer my dad died" and then burst into floods of tears.

Then "Mr Old School" made him stand on his chair in front of the whole class until he stopped crying.

During the year he also made the fat unpopular girl sit on her own at the front. If anyone else misbehaved their punishment was to sit next to Louise Booth. Louise Booth committed suicide a few years ago. I'm sure that wasn't directly responsible for her doing it, but I'm also sure 11 year olds never forget that sort of thing.

And the boy, do you think he feels the "old school" teaching made him a better man?

As I said, I'm all for disciplining children in a way that helps them, not in a way that destroys them.

Perhaps my sons won't grown up to be a real man like you obviously are. I can live with that.

Goneinsixtyseconds · 03-18-2019, 02:59 AM

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Completely blowing what I said out of proportion there, and a typical response from you when someone has a difference of opinion to you on this forum

Not sure how I've blown "bring back the cane" and "spare the rod, spoil the child" out of proportion.

Hooded · 03-18-2019, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Goneinsixtyseconds

Not sure how I've blown "bring back the cane" and "spare the rod, spoil the child" out of proportion.

Blowing things I've said way out of proportion by suggesting I think you should hit a child to save time so I can get back to my pint quicker, which is completely twisting my point, which is that my opinion is the same as roughly half of the parents in a survey, that the cane should be an option in schools at the headmasters discretion, and likewise smacking (as in a slap across the legs that leaves no lasting marks such as bruising) should be up to the parents discretion and not made illegal.

Goneinsixtyseconds · 03-18-2019, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Hooded

Blowing things I've said way out of proportion by suggesting I think you should hit a child to save time so I can get back to my pint quicker, which is completely twisting my point, which is that my opinion is the same as roughly half of the parents in a survey, that the cane should be an option in schools at the headmasters discretion, and likewise smacking (as in a slap across the legs that leaves no lasting marks such as bruising) should be up to the parents discretion and not made illegal.

I'm confused, so parents should be allowed to hit, as long as they don't leave marks. But you think teachers should be allowed to leave bruises and welts on children? The rules of corporal punishment are confusing.

davyk31 · 03-18-2019, 08:55 AM

We are fortunate now that we don't need to hit our children to discipline them. All we need to do is to remove their phone or switch off the Wi-Fi for a while, our parents sadly did not have the same means of torture to avail of lol.

Hooded · 03-18-2019, 09:15 AM

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We are fortunate now that we don't need to hit our children to discipline them. All we need to do is to remove their phone or switch off the Wi-Fi for a while, our parents sadly did not have the same means of torture to avail of lol.

Fair point, but let's not also forget that Children are also now more unfortunate that it's possible they could be subjected to every embarrassing thing that happens to them at school uploaded to the internet by bullies which is possibly more likely to cause them mental damage than having their ear pulled by the teacher back in 1975.

dizzy619 · 03-18-2019, 01:03 PM

Sooooo.... Back to the tv show... Anyone else watching?

Broncho · 03-18-2019, 01:10 PM

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Sooooo.... Back to the tv show... Anyone else watching?

Episodes 5 & 6 tonight.

R0B · 03-18-2019, 01:12 PM

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Sooooo.... Back to the tv show... Anyone else watching?

Watched the first instalment late last night, in bed. Laid there feeling very much like I want to wrap my children in cotton wool and get a secondary alarm for the house. Then, heard footsteps on the landing. Never moved so quick. It was my 6 year old heading for the bathroom - first time she's been up during the night in over a year. How's that for timing, I didn't realise how quick I was capable of moving!

mikeoz · 03-18-2019, 03:59 PM

Iv now watched the whole series. Its bloody frightening to to think of what may have happened and the networks that are clearly out there looking for children to take. I take my hat off to the British CEOP guy that was being interviewed and the work he and others have done. Very moving at the end when he talks about a phone call he had at Gatwick.

I work with Paedophiles every day and have to write reports and do in depth interviews and find that hard enough. I cant imagine having to watch these videos. Its damaging enough writing and reading reports about this shit

andrewX3M40d · 03-19-2019, 11:19 AM

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We are fortunate now that we don't need to hit our children to discipline them. All we need to do is to remove their phone or switch off the Wi-Fi for a while, our parents sadly did not have the same means of torture to avail of lol.

Also known as the nuclear option

dizzy619 · 03-30-2019, 06:32 PM

My view so far is that the Portuguese police were incompetent and that paparazzi everywhere are lower level lifeforms.

mikeoz · 03-31-2019, 07:06 AM

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My view so far is that the Portuguese police were incompetent and that paparazzi everywhere are lower level lifeforms.

Would agree on the Police for sure. Corrupt would also come to mind given that womens black eyes after the...uuuh interview they did with her..

Broncho · 06-03-2020, 04:24 PM

New suspect in a German prison.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52914016

Watsey · 06-03-2020, 04:37 PM

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New suspect in a German prison.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52914016

It's a bleedin obvious question, but why has this taken 13 years to come to light ? (at least in terms of the new lead being released to the public)

At face value there does seem to be a strong circumstantial link.

agentorange · 06-03-2020, 05:21 PM

So the article is all over that he transferred a car in Germany to another owner the day after the girl went missing. If the guy and his camper were in Portugal, and the car was in Germany, I'm not joining the dots.

Broncho · 06-03-2020, 05:46 PM

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So the article is all over that he transferred a car in Germany to another owner the day after the girl went missing. If the guy and his camper were in Portugal, and the car was in Germany, I'm not joining the dots.

I think it’s because it was in Praia Da Luz around the time.

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Goneinsixtyseconds Banned 4279 Rep 7,703 Posts Drives: Q7 & Clubman JCW on order Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Chesterfield iTrader: (0)	I went to school in the 70's and 80's too. My teacher for the final year of junior school was a mean fucker just getting ready for retirement, so taught in the 40's and 50's. On the first day of the year he asked everyone to stand up individually and tell him something that happened in the summer holidays. One boy refused several times, looking pretty distressed. The "old school" teacher wasn't having any if this namby pamby behaviour. He forced him to get up. And the boy said, "in the summer my dad died" and then burst into floods of tears. Then "Mr Old School" made him stand on his chair in front of the whole class until he stopped crying. During the year he also made the fat unpopular girl sit on her own at the front. If anyone else misbehaved their punishment was to sit next to Louise Booth. Louise Booth committed suicide a few years ago. I'm sure that wasn't directly responsible for her doing it, but I'm also sure 11 year olds never forget that sort of thing. And the boy, do you think he feels the "old school" teaching made him a better man? As I said, I'm all for disciplining children in a way that helps them, not in a way that destroys them. Perhaps my sons won't grown up to be a real man like you obviously are. I can live with that. Last edited by Goneinsixtyseconds; 03-18-2019 at 04:25 AM..
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