New amp - Audiotec Fischer's Match-Up 7BMW

Encanto · 02-05-2019, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by MiamiM235iEstorilBlue

Definitely appreciate the response but can't pretend I fully understand. So you're saying the Up 7BMW will work with the M235i HK system, but it might present some issues?
Are you then suggesting it isn't a good idea? Just want to be clear. You obviously know much more than I do about this upgrade.

UP 7BMW amp fully works with HK(674), however OEM amp must be plugged back in if car is taken to dealer for updates or diagnostics.

Encanto · 02-05-2019, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by drivef30

Hey, so when the Revenant is released by BavSound/Bimmertech will someone be able to export THEIR tune to be used on the Match 7? Or does bavsound/bimmertech use the factory presets of AudioTec?

Asking because Im deciding if buying the Match 7 is worth it or just to pay the extra premium on the Revenant

The Revenant is a UP 7BMW but with a different color.

There is no point in getting a DSP and not tune it to your own taste, IMO. Otherwise get an XD600/6v2 instead. Louder, as clear and easier to tune.

bgalakazam · 02-05-2019, 03:51 AM

I would just get the 7 Match Up rather than a rebadged one for more money. Also I am very disappointed with Bavsound not shipping APO. Buying local would mean even a higher premium with VAT. In Europe you can get the 7 Match Up for around 750€ and that includes about 20% tax in the price. So you can see how these other companies just rebadge and charge a ton more extra. If it's the audio profile you are after, just wait for somebody to release. Better yet, get a reputable audio place to do a custom tune. I cannot be more happy with the manufacturers stock profile.

chowser51 · 02-05-2019, 04:43 AM

For us in the states I can find the Match for $1000 and the Revenant is $900.

Encanto · 02-05-2019, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by chowser51

For us in the states I can find the Match for $1000 and the Revenant is $900.

It is about $700 or less on eBay... keep looking.

drivef30 · 02-05-2019, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Encanto

It is about $700 or less on eBay... keep looking.

Yep, I just found one yesterday for 720$ (still better then the bavsound price for the same item)

pierreye · 02-05-2019, 07:21 PM

I had done custom tuning using Umik-1 CSL calibrated mic and REW for my X3. It's definitely better than generic SUV profile from Audiotec Fischer. If you only do an amp swap without proper tuning, I believe you are missing out on the real potential. I would said it is money well spent.

Wgosma · 02-05-2019, 07:26 PM

You can tune DSP amp yourself, by ear and get good results. . Did this with older PP82DSP BimmerTech in my X3 and greatly improved in B-Tech stock tune file. The Audiotech Fischer software is straightforward to use.

MiamiM235iEstorilBlue · 02-05-2019, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Encanto

It is about $700 or less on eBay... keep looking.

Yes, this is true! I found one for $695. Just don't know enough yet about this to know which amp is right for my incoming Bavsound system. I want decent sounding and easy to setup, given Im no pro.

MiamiM235iEstorilBlue · 02-05-2019, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Encanto

The Revenant is a UP 7BMW but with a different color.

There is no point in getting a DSP and not tune it to your own taste, IMO. Otherwise get an XD600/6v2 instead. Louder, as clear and easier to tune.

I dont know what this means. Is the XD600 a better option for non-pro's looking to simply add some power to their system? I simply am upgrading to Bavsound speakers and would like to add some power, given that I've read the stock HK Amp is not sufficient. I am open to this XD600 or the Match UP 7 BMW amps, whichever you guys feel would do the trick. Im no audiophile, just feel the HK system was rather weak, thus would like to do these upgrades.

Encanto · 02-06-2019, 05:27 AM

Search for XD600/6... all you want to know will show up.

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Originally Posted by MiamiM235iEstorilBlue

I dont know what this means. Is the XD600 a better option for non-pro's looking to simply add some power to their system? I simply am upgrading to Bavsound speakers and would like to add some power, given that I've read the stock HK Amp is not sufficient. I am open to this XD600 or the Match UP 7 BMW amps, whichever you guys feel would do the trick. Im no audiophile, just feel the HK system was rather weak, thus would like to do these upgrades.

MiamiM235iEstorilBlue · 02-06-2019, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Encanto

Search for XD600/6... all you want to know will show up.

So that was the first thing I did, thanks very much for the recommendation.

What wasn't clear to me was if this XD600/6 AMP was plug-n-play or required special wiring skills, as well as if it supports the 2ohm woofers and 4ohm speaker arrangement, and all the required channels as I thought I read that the HK system in the M235i is 7 or 9 channels? I could be totally off, reading tons of blogs and not clear on the matter but think this is what I've read thus far.

Encanto · 02-06-2019, 12:46 PM

Most of the XD600/6 installs detailed in this forum and others use cabling made to plug and play it with the HiFi(676) system since the days of the E9x chassis.

Both the current 676 and 674 systems are 7ch, so replacing the OEM amp with the XD600/6 removes the center speaker. Center speaker is only effective if a DSP is used, so nothing is lost by using a 6ch amp. All JL Audio are stable down to 2ohms. Check the complete specs at the JL Audio site.

Any balanced inputs, 4ch inputs/6-8ch outputs aftermarket amp can directly replace the analog inputs OEM amp in BMW.

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Originally Posted by MiamiM235iEstorilBlue

So that was the first thing I did, thanks very much for the recommendation.

What wasn't clear to me was if this XD600/6 AMP was plug-n-play or required special wiring skills, as well as if it supports the 2ohm woofers and 4ohm speaker arrangement, and all the required channels as I thought I read that the HK system in the M235i is 7 or 9 channels? I could be totally off, reading tons of blogs and not clear on the matter but think this is what I've read thus far.

MiamiM235iEstorilBlue · 02-06-2019, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Encanto

Most of the XD600/6 installs detailed in this forum and others use cabling made to plug and play it with the HiFi(676) system since the days of the E9x chassis.

Both the current 676 and 674 systems are 7ch, so replacing the OEM amp with the XD600/6 removes the center speaker. Center speaker is only effective if a DSP is used, so nothing is lost by using a 6ch amp. All JL Audio are stable down to 2ohms. Check the complete specs at the JL Audio site.

Any balanced inputs, 4ch inputs/6-8ch outputs aftermarket amp can directly replace the analog inputs OEM amp in BMW.

Thank alot!!
In another chat someone recommended the Match UP7 as being a good option too. I see its also PnP friendly and a bit more powerful (if I understood the specs). I'm leaning towards it but will continue to research the XD600 further thanks to your recommendation. Much appreciated!

pierreye · 02-07-2019, 11:07 PM

The ability to set delay for each channel is a must for proper sound staging. I would go for Match UP 7BMW.

buggydrvr · 02-15-2019, 01:40 PM

Does the UP 7BMW work with the HK system? I seem to find conflicting responses...

chowser51 · 02-15-2019, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by buggydrvr

Does the UP 7BMW work with the HK system? I seem to find conflicting responses...

I think it works for the HK systems on the 2 series.

Your radio option must be S6xx.

I think the HK systems on the 3/4 are not compatible.

buggydrvr · 02-19-2019, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by chowser51

I think it works for the HK systems on the 2 series.

Your radio option must be S6xx.

I think the HK systems on the 3/4 are not compatible.

I have S688A, so are you saying it may be compatible?

Encanto · 02-19-2019, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by buggydrvr

I have S688A, so are you saying it may be compatible?

688 (MOST) is not compatible.

chowser51 · 02-19-2019, 03:06 PM

Yeah. I think it was the 67x systems

Chuckyarla · 03-01-2019, 10:59 AM

Does anyone know if the sound tunes listed here can be loaded on to the Match UP7 amp?

https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1182351

chowser51 · 03-11-2019, 11:13 AM

Not sure if the bimmertech tunes can be loaded to the Match. Try one and if it doesn't work, switch back.

FYI. You cannot load tunes on the Revenant. It has two settings. Stock speakers or upgraded speakers. The Match is better for those that like to tune themselves.

Anyways. I can't seem to use the search function or google. I found it before but now I can't find it. Anyone know where the thread is that shows how to take the F33 trunk apart to access the amplifier? I bookmarked it but then that PC finally died (it was 11 years old)

It's still too cold today (my garage is at 43 degrees F) so I will wait for my days off next week when I am in NC to try and take the trunk apart.

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bgalakazam Private First Class 94 Rep 172 Posts Drives: 2015 328i Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Germany iTrader: (0) Garage List 2015 BMW 328i [0.00]	I would just get the 7 Match Up rather than a rebadged one for more money. Also I am very disappointed with Bavsound not shipping APO. Buying local would mean even a higher premium with VAT. In Europe you can get the 7 Match Up for around 750€ and that includes about 20% tax in the price. So you can see how these other companies just rebadge and charge a ton more extra. If it's the audio profile you are after, just wait for somebody to release. Better yet, get a reputable audio place to do a custom tune. I cannot be more happy with the manufacturers stock profile.
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02-05-2019, 04:43 AM	#70
chowser51 Colonel 2025 Rep 2,808 Posts Drives: F33 430 and F39 M35i Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Cleveland, OH iTrader: (3) Garage List 2018 BMW 430i xDrive [0.00]	For us in the states I can find the Match for $1000 and the Revenant is $900.
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02-05-2019, 07:21 PM	#73
pierreye Lieutenant 212 Rep 500 Posts Drives: F10 & G01 Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Malaysia iTrader: (0)	I had done custom tuning using Umik-1 CSL calibrated mic and REW for my X3. It's definitely better than generic SUV profile from Audiotec Fischer. If you only do an amp swap without proper tuning, I believe you are missing out on the real potential. I would said it is money well spent.
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02-05-2019, 07:26 PM	#74
Wgosma Lieutenant Colonel 806 Rep 1,903 Posts Drives: 2012 F25 X3 28i (N52) Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Northern Nevada iTrader: (0)	You can tune DSP amp yourself, by ear and get good results. . Did this with older PP82DSP BimmerTech in my X3 and greatly improved in B-Tech stock tune file. The Audiotech Fischer software is straightforward to use.
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02-07-2019, 11:07 PM	#81
pierreye Lieutenant 212 Rep 500 Posts Drives: F10 & G01 Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Malaysia iTrader: (0)	The ability to set delay for each channel is a must for proper sound staging. I would go for Match UP 7BMW.
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02-15-2019, 01:40 PM	#82
buggydrvr Private 13 Rep 96 Posts Drives: 21' X5 40i x-drive Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: DC Metro iTrader: (0)	Does the UP 7BMW work with the HK system? I seem to find conflicting responses...
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02-19-2019, 03:06 PM	#86
chowser51 Colonel 2025 Rep 2,808 Posts Drives: F33 430 and F39 M35i Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Cleveland, OH iTrader: (3) Garage List 2018 BMW 430i xDrive [0.00]	Yeah. I think it was the 67x systems
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Chuckyarla Captain 297 Rep 829 Posts Drives: G11 730d M-Sport 2018 Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Ireland iTrader: (0)	Does anyone know if the sound tunes listed here can be loaded on to the Match UP7 amp? https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1182351
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03-11-2019, 11:13 AM	#88
chowser51 Colonel 2025 Rep 2,808 Posts Drives: F33 430 and F39 M35i Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Cleveland, OH iTrader: (3) Garage List 2018 BMW 430i xDrive [0.00]	Not sure if the bimmertech tunes can be loaded to the Match. Try one and if it doesn't work, switch back. FYI. You cannot load tunes on the Revenant. It has two settings. Stock speakers or upgraded speakers. The Match is better for those that like to tune themselves. Anyways. I can't seem to use the search function or google. I found it before but now I can't find it. Anyone know where the thread is that shows how to take the F33 trunk apart to access the amplifier? I bookmarked it but then that PC finally died (it was 11 years old) It's still too cold today (my garage is at 43 degrees F) so I will wait for my days off next week when I am in NC to try and take the trunk apart.
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