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      07-29-2021, 07:04 PM   #595
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"Walensky hinted that the biggest driver was new unpublished research on a person's "viral load" -- the amount of virus in a person's nasal passages -- being considerably high even after being vaccinated with a U.S.-approved vaccine.

"What we've learned Ö is that when we examine the rare or breakthrough infections and we look at the amount of virus in those people, it is pretty similar to the amount of virus in unvaccinated people," she said."

Except it isn't that rare.....
The article you posted helps prove the vaccines are still effective against the Delta variant. Since you are quoting parts of the article why donít you post how many were hospitalized and how many died.
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Also, I've noticed the last few pages...why are there so many posters from NY in this thread?
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The Washington Post reportedly has obtained a CDC document indicating that vaccinated individuals might be spreading COVID just as easily as unvaccinated people. So much for the vaccinated making the argument that the current spread of COVID is the result of the unvaccinated. Folks, come to terms with the fact that you're eventually going to get COVID, vaccinated or not.
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How many times are we going to repeat this? NO ONE said that vaccinated people can't spread the virus. JFC. The difference is that if you ARE vaccinated you are not likely to become gravely ill or hospitalized or die. Ones that are NOT vaccinated are at much greater risk. Why keep trying to push this point?

Why is that so difficult to comprehend?
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How many times are we going to repeat this? NO ONE said that vaccinated people can't spread the virus. JFC. The difference is that if you ARE vaccinated you are not likely to become gravely ill or hospitalized or die. Ones that are NOT vaccinated are at much greater risk. Why keep trying to push this point?

Why is that so difficult to comprehend?
The goalposts keep moving back and forth. A few pages ago it was "if you don't get vaccinated you are putting millions of people in danger". Now we're back to "get vaccinated so you won't have as bad of a time with the Rona"

It's a bit circular
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The goalposts keep moving back and forth. A few pages ago it was "if you don't get vaccinated you are putting millions of people in danger". Now we're back to "get vaccinated so you won't have as bad of a time with the Rona"

It's a bit circular
The MAIN point as far as I understand has always been about minimizing the risk of hospitalization or worse, more so than spreading or not spreading the virus which is also extremely critical. Regarding efforts to minimize the spread, you get into the hotly debated subject of masks. The news we are getting now of the extreme transmissibility of the new Delta variant is startling and should only reinforce the idea of getting yourself vaccinated.

As some have said, it's not a matter of "if", but "when" you get the virus. When that happens, vaccinated v unvaccinated becomes critical.
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How many times are we going to repeat this? NO ONE said that vaccinated people can't spread the virus. JFC. The difference is that if you ARE vaccinated you are not likely to become gravely ill or hospitalized or die. Ones that are NOT vaccinated are at much greater risk. Why keep trying to push this point?

Why is that so difficult to comprehend?
He was incredibly wrong when this was just starting in the original Covid thread when the politics section was open. He is still refusing to admit it a year and half later. Changing absolutely nothing in his thinking. He literally is repeating the same posts/thoughts, it’s crazy.

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This data's from Ohio, but I'd imagine it's similar in most places:

"99.5% of the people who died from COVID-19 in Ohio this year were unvaccinated."

"Out of everyone who was hospitalized for COVID-19 so far this year, 98.8% of them were not vaccinated."

"Viewed another way, there were 205 “breakthrough” hospitalizations and just 34 breakthrough deaths among the population of 5.3 million fully-vaccinated Ohioans as of July 21, meaning just .0039% of fully vaccinated Ohioans were hospitalized for the disease, and about .0006% died."

Source (and a good data-driven read): https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/...ng-to-odh-data

The latest mortality numbers I can find from a reputable source:

United States:

Confirmed: 34,672,690
Deaths: 611,801
Case-Fatality: 1.8%
Death/100k population: 186.39


Source (with other countries listed): https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

A good article explaining for the stupid people (that would be me) fallacies between vaccinated vs. unvaccinated. And it even has (gasp!) references: https://healthfeedback.org/claimrevi...e-tomi-lahren/

Here's the conclusion if you're the type of person who reads the last chapter in the book first......

Conclusion

Lahren’s claim suggested that unvaccinated individuals have similar chances of surviving COVID-19 as those who are fully vaccinated, which makes vaccines seem useless. This is inaccurate and misleading. Unvaccinated people are much more likely to become infected and get severe disease or die. Furthermore, low vaccination rates favor the spread of the virus, posing a health risk for all the individuals within the community, including those who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons.

COVID-19 vaccines are highly effective in preventing hospitalization and death and also reduce the risk of infection. They reduce the spread of the virus within the population and prevent further health problems associated with COVID-19 infections, such as long COVID.
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The goalposts keep moving back and forth. A few pages ago it was "if you don't get vaccinated you are putting millions of people in danger". Now we're back to "get vaccinated so you won't have as bad of a time with the Rona"

It's a bit circular
You are a smart guy (just ask yourself). That article you agreed with TR930 against vaccines showed they work. According to the numbers, it is about a 1% hospitalization rate and reported zero deaths. The CDC is revising mask guidance to protect you and the rest of the unvaccinated public. It’s one thing to spread it to another vaccinated person and completely different to spread it to an unvaccinated person. But you are so smart you know this. TR930 is 0-forever in gotcha articles.
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The MAIN point as far as I understand has always been about minimizing the risk of hospitalization or worse, spreading or not spreading the virus. Regarding efforts to minimize the spread, you get into the hotly debated subject of masks. The news we are getting now of the extreme transmissibility of the new Delta variant is startling and should only reinforce the idea of getting yourself vaccinated.

As some have said, it's not a matter of "if", but "when" you get the virus. When that happens, vaccinated v unvaccinated becomes critical.
And they say we are the dumb sheep.
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The Washington Post reportedly has obtained a CDC document indicating that vaccinated individuals might be spreading COVID just as easily as unvaccinated people. So much for the vaccinated making the argument that the current spread of COVID is the result of the unvaccinated. Folks, come to terms with the fact that you're eventually going to get COVID, vaccinated or not.
CDC is probably wrong here, and it's speculative. Even if breakthrough infections did infect other people at the same rate as unvaccinated people, the odds of you getting infected are still lower if you're vaccinated, thus transmission will be lower. I'm not sure what's so hard for you to grasp.
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https://abcnews.go.com/US/vast-major...ry?id=79128401

Vast majority of ICU patients with COVID-19 are unvaccinated, ABC News survey finds
Hospitals report few fully vaccinated people are sick with COVID-19 in the ICU.
ByDr. Mark Abdelmalek,Arielle Mitropoulos, andErica Baumgart
July 29, 2021, 12:13 PM
ē 11 min read
This is how to get the rest vaccinated. The numbers in this article, even given the relatively small sample size, are staggeringly in favor of getting the jab. Numbers. Need more numbers. People aren't stupid when you put numbers like that in front of them. Are they?
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CDC is probably wrong here, and it's speculative. Even if breakthrough infections did infect other people at the same rate as unvaccinated people, the odds of you getting infected are still lower if you're vaccinated, thus transmission will be lower. I'm not sure what's so hard for you to grasp.
That's the other thing. The CDC has, on several occasions, rushed to get information out, only to have to correct it after they have enough time and data to make the conclusion. That gives the perception that they're inconsistent, at best. Surely you can understand that?
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That's the other thing. The CDC has, on several occasions, rushed to get information out, only to have to correct it after they have enough time and data to make the conclusion. That gives the perception that they're inconsistent, at best. Surely you can understand that?
That, I can agree with.
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This is how to get the rest vaccinated. The numbers in this article, even given the relatively small sample size, are staggeringly in favor of getting the jab. Numbers. Need more numbers. People aren't stupid when you put numbers like that in front of them. Are they?
Unfortunately for all of us yes. Theyíll say they donít believe them for a number of reasons or like Racey he just doesnít need it because he believes his own math equation in his head.
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On a side note, I confess that I've begun to mask up again when I'm in crowded indoor places. I just figure it's better to be safe than sorry. I've observed a fairly high % of people continuing to wear masks, probably at least 50% I'd guess.
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That's the other thing. The CDC has, on several occasions, rushed to get information out, only to have to correct it after they have enough time and data to make the conclusion. That gives the perception that they're inconsistent, at best. Surely you can understand that?
I agree with this to but there are going to be two very different CDC approaches under Trump vs Biden. Hopefully they regain their previous high trust standing they had before the Trump years.
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I agree with this to but there are going to be two very different CDC approaches under Trump vs Biden. Hopefully they regain their previous high trust standing they had before the Trump years.
Thank goodness you're here, I forgot it was all Trump's fault
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Thank goodness you're here, I forgot it was all Trump's fault
The CDC under Redfield was incompetent. It's not improved to the degree I had expected, unfortunately. Still has improved.
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How many times are we going to repeat this? NO ONE said that vaccinated people can't spread the virus. JFC. The difference is that if you ARE vaccinated you are not likely to become gravely ill or hospitalized or die. Ones that are NOT vaccinated are at much greater risk. Why keep trying to push this point?

Why is that so difficult to comprehend?
Why do you care what others do? Those that can't get vaccines are basically screwed. The unvaccinated and vaccinated will both get them sick so the argument that the unvaccinated risk making your immunocompromised relative sick goes completely out the window.

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Thank goodness you're here, I forgot it was all Trump's fault
Are you capable of actually having a conversation? I never said it was all Trump’s fault but ignoring what he did to the CDC is so you.

It’s very telling you only really respond like this and to posts like this. But never about the numbers or the data.
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Are you capable of actually having a conversation? I never said it was all Trumpís fault but ignoring what he did to the CDC is so you.

Itís very telling you only really respond like this and to posts like this. But never about the numbers or the data.
What about all that math I supposedly did in my head?
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