Drivetrain Malfunction Help

sspade · 12-10-2018, 06:25 PM

On the car ride home from work I decide to make a couple throttle rips. Music off, windows closed. Here are the details. Any help would be appreciated.

At this point, codes are cleared and everything seems fine.

Where would you look first?

1st rip: Dead stop, comfort mode, let roll a bit then WOT... nothing vicious at all. Car ran like a top and shifted well through all gears.

2nd rip: Rolling momentum, rocker button into Sport (thats it) again nothing viscous and car ran fine... until the 3rd or 4th shift when I got my FIRST EVER drivetrain malfunction...

No noises or issues whatsoever... immediately let off throttle and crawled to a safe spot to check codes.

This is what I see...

The one is obviously from my Catless Downpipe and is always there... its the other three that Im concerned with.

64k miles. N26, FBO, never been tuned.

rjd_F30 · 12-10-2018, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by sspade

On the car ride home from work I decide to make a couple throttle rips. Music off, windows closed. Here are the details. Any help would be appreciated.

At this point, codes are cleared and everything seems fine.

Where would you look first?

1st rip: Dead stop, comfort mode, let roll a bit then WOT... nothing vicious at all. Car ran like a top and shifted well through all gears.

2nd rip: Rolling momentum, rocker button into Sport (thats it) again nothing viscous and car ran fine... until the 3rd or 4th shift when I got my FIRST EVER drivetrain malfunction...

No noises or issues whatsoever... immediately let off throttle and crawled to a safe spot to check codes.

This is what I see...

The one is obviously from my Catless Downpipe and is always there... its the other three that Im concerned with.

64k miles. N26, FBO, never been tuned.

Hmmmm. You just did a MAF clean right. Seems like awfully suspect timing...

If I were in your shoes, that's where I would first look. Maybe it didn't dry all the way, or the MAF is shot. That wouldn't be my first guess if I didn't know you just cleaned the MAF, but that's where I would look first given the circumstances.

sspade · 12-10-2018, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by rjdnyy224

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Originally Posted by sspade

On the car ride home from work I decide to make a couple throttle rips. Music off, windows closed. Here are the details. Any help would be appreciated.

At this point, codes are cleared and everything seems fine.

Where would you look first?

1st rip: Dead stop, comfort mode, let roll a bit then WOT... nothing vicious at all. Car ran like a top and shifted well through all gears.

2nd rip: Rolling momentum, rocker button into Sport (thats it) again nothing viscous and car ran fine... until the 3rd or 4th shift when I got my FIRST EVER drivetrain malfunction...

No noises or issues whatsoever... immediately let off throttle and crawled to a safe spot to check codes.

This is what I see...

The one is obviously from my Catless Downpipe and is always there... its the other three that Im concerned with.

64k miles. N26, FBO, never been tuned.

Hmmmm. You just did a MAF clean right. Seems like awfully suspect timing...

If I were in your shoes, that's where I would first look. Maybe it didn't dry all the way, or the MAF is shot. That wouldn't be my first guess if I didn't know you just cleaned the MAF, but that's where I would look first given the circumstances.

Yes, this is true. And that specific code has appeared before intermittently but never caused a drivetrain malfunction.

The thing is perfectly clean and was dry when I reinstalled. Plus I didn't start the car until the next day.

I agree with what your saying but its definitely been thoroughly cleaned... plugged in a few minutes later and left overnight before starting car.

This was also a few days ago. Dont think these were my first two WOT runs but maybe they were?

Idk...

sspade · 12-10-2018, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by rjdnyy224

Quote:

Originally Posted by sspade

On the car ride home from work I decide to make a couple throttle rips. Music off, windows closed. Here are the details. Any help would be appreciated.

At this point, codes are cleared and everything seems fine.

Where would you look first?

1st rip: Dead stop, comfort mode, let roll a bit then WOT... nothing vicious at all. Car ran like a top and shifted well through all gears.

2nd rip: Rolling momentum, rocker button into Sport (thats it) again nothing viscous and car ran fine... until the 3rd or 4th shift when I got my FIRST EVER drivetrain malfunction...

No noises or issues whatsoever... immediately let off throttle and crawled to a safe spot to check codes.

This is what I see...

The one is obviously from my Catless Downpipe and is always there... its the other three that Im concerned with.

64k miles. N26, FBO, never been tuned.

Hmmmm. You just did a MAF clean right. Seems like awfully suspect timing...

If I were in your shoes, that's where I would first look. Maybe it didn't dry all the way, or the MAF is shot. That wouldn't be my first guess if I didn't know you just cleaned the MAF, but that's where I would look first given the circumstances.

So you think the other codes are related not due to a leak of sorts?

I know its a crapshoot just making sure I understand.

Would you pop for a new MAF at 64k miles or check other things first?

lonecitizenfour · 12-10-2018, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by sspade

So you think the other codes are related not due to a leak of sorts?

I know its a crapshoot just making sure I understand.

Would you pop for a new MAF at 64k miles or check other things first?

Isn't a MAF $100? can you use it and return it if it doesn't fix your issue? XD AMAZON PRIME IT!

sspade · 12-10-2018, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by lonecitizenfour

Isn't a MAF $100? can you use it and return it if it doesn't fix your issue? XD AMAZON PRIME IT!

Doubtful I can return it once used... a week or so. But I get your point.

Cheapest on eBay for OEM brand new is $214

PN 13-62-7-602-038

sspade · 12-10-2018, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by lonecitizenfour

Isn't a MAF $100? can you use it and return it if it doesn't fix your issue? XD AMAZON PRIME IT!

Cheapest on amazon is $410.

Much more that "a hundred."

sspade · 12-10-2018, 08:11 PM

Thoughts on aftermarket MAF sensor for your personal, owned vehicle?

sspade · 12-10-2018, 08:19 PM

Damn... Im inpatient!

Just bought this one... didnt come up when I clicked BMW as brand before but still states OEM... hmm?

***I know that it is Bosch manufactured but normally - I have best luck when searching for OEM to choose the OEM as brand.

We'll see. I can say that it is from the exact same company that I bought my front strut mounts from (which have worked well)... so Im not too worried.

Hopefully this is a simple plug and play solution!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/283103533436

rjd_F30 · 12-10-2018, 08:40 PM

FCP Euro carries an OEM Bosch MAF for $143. I know you already bought one lol, but you can never go wrong with FCP Euro.

Either way, a bad MAF can throw off a lot of things, so I wouldn't be surprised if the other codes were caused by that, but like I said, it wouldn't be my first guess if you hadn't just cleaned it, but I also wouldn't be surprised if it was the fix.

Let's assume you hadn't just done the MAF, I would guess, given the descriptions of the codes, that you blew a CP off but I know you have Treadstones so that's unlikely, but it can't hurt to check 'em if you haven't already.

lonecitizenfour · 12-10-2018, 09:53 PM

Inlet pipe?

IraHayes · 12-14-2018, 12:06 PM

Any luck resolving this Spade?

sspade · 12-14-2018, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by IraHayes

Any luck resolving this Spade?

MAF meter arrives today!

Literally have been praying this fixes my issue because I dont want to show up to the dealer... ass first...

Ive been able to repeat the issue a couple times. Seems that in Sport mode, if I rip it hard enough for RPM's to
hit 5k or better and boom... drivetrain malfunction. No sounds or feelings or anything negative... just the onboard message and then I let off and go home and cry... next time I start it, its gone whether I clear codes or not.

Last time I had it happen (yesterday)... the following codes were thrown (no MAF code?!)

I never ended up cleaning or touching it again since the only time I cleaned it (a few days back).

lonecitizenfour · 12-14-2018, 01:24 PM

and you're sure it's not a leak anywhere?

sspade · 12-14-2018, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by lonecitizenfour

and you're sure it's not a leak anywhere?

I do not believe there is a exhaust leak because I feel like I would hear it and smell it in the engine bay...

Its definitely possible to have something loose in the air intake / induction system but then again I havent touched that in months...

When I install MAF meter tonight, Ill dissemble the air box and have a good look at everything hidden by it.

Of course adjust anything that looks funky and reassemble nice and snug along with a fresh MAF.

Clear codes and see what happens over the next week.

Ill take some pics for the hell of it.

sspade · 12-14-2018, 02:14 PM

Hoping it's not something deeper than this (ie. Turbo or Engine related).

rjd_F30 · 12-14-2018, 03:38 PM

I know a bad MAF can really f*ck things up, so I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it fixed it. Let's hope it does. If not you'll have to dig a bit deeper, but hopefully not too deep.

sspade · 12-14-2018, 06:40 PM

First evidence of the problem!

JoeyMcMahon101 · 12-14-2018, 07:04 PM

What are we looking at here???

sspade · 12-14-2018, 07:20 PM

Turbo to Intercooler (TIC) pipe was causing a boost leak due to the worm screw loosening on one of the clamps...

Makes me wonder how tight it ever was.

At this point Im cleaning the original MAF meter again and clearing codes to see what happens over the next week.

New MAF arrived but Im not sold I need it yet.

I suspect the boost related two codes will be gone... hoping the MAF code disappears too... leaving me with one known code (catless downpipe).

Worst case, MAF code reappears and I will swap sensors. Wont be surprised if it does but want to make sure now that I know I had a boost leak.

Question: is driving around with a boost leak (very casually) for a week or so an issue for damaging anything else?

I only made it do the engine malfunction two times. 96% of the time I baby my car around.

sspade · 12-14-2018, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeyMcMahon101

What are we looking at here???

See the silver ring clamp around the pipe?

Should be up on the silicone coupler.

lonecitizenfour · 12-14-2018, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by sspade

Turbo to Intercooler (TIC) pipe was causing a boost leak due to the worm screw loosening on one of the clamps...

Makes me wonder how tight it ever was.

At this point Im cleaning the original MAF meter again and clearing codes to see what happens over the next week.

New MAF arrived but Im not sold I need it yet.

I suspect the boost related two codes will be gone... hoping the MAF code disappears too... leaving me with one known code (catless downpipe).

Worst case, MAF code reappears and I will swap sensors. Wont be surprised if it does but want to make sure now that I know I had a boost leak.

Question: is driving around with a boost leak (very casually) for a week or so an issue for damaging anything else?

I only made it do the engine malfunction two times. 96% of the time I baby my car around.

Yes I believe this will cause the car to limp because the AFR can’t be anticipated / controlled correctly.

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sspade Major General 2465 Rep 5,457 Posts Drives: F30 Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Stevenson, WA iTrader: (3) Garage List 2016 BMW 320i [7.87] 2014 BMW 328i [6.83]	Turbo to Intercooler (TIC) pipe was causing a boost leak due to the worm screw loosening on one of the clamps... Makes me wonder how tight it ever was. At this point Im cleaning the original MAF meter again and clearing codes to see what happens over the next week. New MAF arrived but Im not sold I need it yet. I suspect the boost related two codes will be gone... hoping the MAF code disappears too... leaving me with one known code (catless downpipe). Worst case, MAF code reappears and I will swap sensors. Wont be surprised if it does but want to make sure now that I know I had a boost leak. Question: is driving around with a boost leak (very casually) for a week or so an issue for damaging anything else? I only made it do the engine malfunction two times. 96% of the time I baby my car around.
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