[workshybum]

So, I was just browsing the web as you do and I happened upon a review of the 435d GC. I thought I'd compare the luggage capacity to that of my F31 (yes, I'm at that time of my life when this sort of thing matters to me!) and noticed that the quoted road tax figures were higher than I thought they were.

A quick look on the Parkers website shows a change in tax bracket if you car is REGISTERED after 1/3/2015 as the emissions are for some reason higher.

My question is why? Surely registration date has no bearing on emissions whatsoever? What am I missing here, or is it another case of the government pulling a fast one?

[Steven1077]

Those are the numbers BMW quote, no idea what they were quoting last year, what does the log book say?

[Alkidrew]

Doesn't appear to be down the the date but that the car is being classed as g rather than f band. Can only assume something has changed on the car from that date??

[JustChris]

Hmm yes, looks like it trips over the 150g marker? Odd though how do you know which your engine is, is this just Parkers though, how about DVLA?

[workshybum]

I could understand if something had changed on the car to affect the emissions, but I'm not sure that can be the case when it states registration date and not build date. For those people who's cars were built in January, for example, who delayed registering until March for the 15 plate - it seems they'll be paying £35 a year more for tax?

Not sure what my logbook says as I don't have it to hand.

[Nick the Greek]

I have the answer for you!

It's down to the model you order.

Msport has bigger wheels and tyres, hence it kills more baby polar bears and enviro-mentalists....

[workshybum]

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I've spent the last 2.5 years in a 320d SE. That should offset the polar bear killing ratio of the 335d M Sport a little. Imagine how guilty I'd feel if I'd gone for a 335i

The prices and emissions quoted above are, however, both for the same model. :

[Nick the Greek]

Originally Posted by workshybum

:

I've spent the last 2.5 years in a 320d SE. That should offset the polar bear killing ratio of the 335d M Sport a little. Imagine how guilty I'd feel if I'd gone for a 335i

The prices and emissions quoted above are, however, both for the same model. :

Blame your friends in Brussels!

[workshybum]

Originally Posted by M Car Chris

Hmm yes, looks like it trips over the 150g marker? Odd though how do you know which your engine is, is this just Parkers though, how about DVLA?

DVLA has mine, registered in Jan, as 148g/km. Would be interesting to know, purely out of curiosity, if any '15 plate 335d owners have been quoted the higher rate?

[335dJa]

Not sure if it clarifies anything but I'm a December 14 plate 335d @ £145 a year, msport+ and quite a lot of extras.

[magic77]

dont feel so bad paying £205 a year for a 335i now

Its the new hidden stealth tax to get all diesel out of uk

[Nick the Greek]

Originally Posted by magic77

dont feel so bad paying £205 a year for a 335i now

Its the new hidden stealth tax to get all diesel out of uk

Indeed.

God moves in mysterious ways.

[Steven1077]

The saloon is in a lower group than the touring 335d

[TheLiverBird]

I read somewhere a few months ago that BMW we're having to do this. Previously the actual 'line' (SE, M-Sport) wasn't considered when the CO2 ratings were gained - I would have though that they took the lowest rating and submitted that. However, I assume that they've been told otherwise, and where a particular model's wheels, gearbox, exhaust etc (as in the case of the M-Sport) affects this, it must now be submitted and the new higher rating used!

Sort of sucks, but like the manufacturers mpg, the CO2 measures are always well below real world figures anyway. Someone on the A5 forum had the equipment to measure the CO2 and his (or maybe her) emissions were 200+ (grams per whatever unit they use (sorry for my ignorance!)) rather than the manufacturers claimed and used for taxing 165.

[workshybum]

Originally Posted by TheLiverBird

I read somewhere a few months ago that BMW we're having to do this. Previously the actual 'line' (SE, M-Sport) wasn't considered when the CO2 ratings were gained - I would have though that they took the lowest rating and submitted that. However, I assume that they've been told otherwise, and where a particular model's wheels, gearbox, exhaust etc (as in the case of the M-Sport) affects this, it must now be submitted and the new higher rating used!

Sort of sucks, but like the manufacturers mpg, the CO2 measures are always well below real world figures anyway. Someone on the A5 forum had the equipment to measure the CO2 and his (or maybe her) emissions were 200+ (grams per whatever unit they use (sorry for my ignorance!)) rather than the manufacturers claimed and used for taxing 165.

That would explain it, cheers.

[Rich9600]

I read that the newer EU6 330d engines have higher CO2 emissions due to NOX gas reduction by some kind of engine heat driven exhaust feature, similar to the DPF.

I wonder if the already EU6 compliant 335d has been similarly changed?

[Nick the Greek]

Originally Posted by TheLiverBird

I read somewhere a few months ago that BMW we're having to do this. Previously the actual 'line' (SE, M-Sport) wasn't considered when the CO2 ratings were gained - I would have though that they took the lowest rating and submitted that. However, I assume that they've been told otherwise, and where a particular model's wheels, gearbox, exhaust etc (as in the case of the M-Sport) affects this, it must now be submitted and the new higher rating used!

Sort of sucks, but like the manufacturers mpg, the CO2 measures are always well below real world figures anyway. Someone on the A5 forum had the equipment to measure the CO2 and his (or maybe her) emissions were 200+ (grams per whatever unit they use (sorry for my ignorance!)) rather than the manufacturers claimed and used for taxing 165.

This is what I said above.

It's the wheels.

[HighlandPete]

Originally Posted by TheLiverBird

I read somewhere a few months ago that BMW we're having to do this. Previously the actual 'line' (SE, M-Sport) wasn't considered when the CO2 ratings were gained - I would have though that they took the lowest rating and submitted that. However, I assume that they've been told otherwise, and where a particular model's wheels, gearbox, exhaust etc (as in the case of the M-Sport) affects this, it must now be submitted and the new higher rating used!

Supporting the above comment, we will note there can now be an "upper band" in the technical data.

335xDrive M-sport Touring

CO2 emissions (g/km) upper band [151.0]

CO2 emissions (g/km) [148.0]

BMW add the note in the data page:

The fuel consumption given in miles per gallon and the CO2 emission given in grams per kilometre represent the combined values. In line with new European standards, the range shown displays the fuel consumption and CO2 values from the smallest to largest wheel size available on the selected model.

Where there is a reference to CO2 emissions (g/km) upper band this is based on the combined cycle and refers to the highest CO2 value on the largest wheel size available on the selected model in line with new European standards.

HighlandPete

[F30oldie]

Range Rover 3.6tdv8 - yes - a v8 diesel - £475 tax. No sympathy I'm afraid.

[workshybum]

Thanks Pete. I did visit the technical data but on the mobile site it didn't have the upper band quoted. I see it is on the full site however.

The extra cost is fairly insignificant in the grand scheme of things, but I was curious as to why the change.

Thanks for all your input, everyone.