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I have a 6MT and I feel a hard jolt when shifting fast. I think it's probably from slop in the diff or control arm bushings, but not really sure. It's rough when shifting 1-2 or 2-3, but not as noticeable at higher speeds.
Has anyone experienced similar? And what did you do to correct it? It might not be limited to 6MT. I'm guessing if your 8AT downshifted to 2nd when you floor it, you'd feel something similar. Options I'm considering now: 1. Diff bushings/supports 2. Control Arm (Trailing Arm) bushings 3. Motor mount bushings, but that's a big maybe since I don't want the car to rattle to pieces |
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I would start with the diff bushings. That's where I've helped reduce the amount of slop in previous cars. I haven't felt the need to it with my f31 yet but I'll probably want to do it after an LSD.
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On my VW a lot of people did motor mount bushings to reduce engine slop, because the issue was the engine torquing hard with the axles. Kind of like how you see fast drag cars pull a wheel off the ground. I think that *might* be a part of the issue as well, I just don't like how motor mounts ruin the NVH. Also should note that I don't feel any wheel hop. Just a sharp thud when i bang into the next gear. So I assume it's something in the drivetrain shifting hard. |
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No but i doubt that would cause the issue I'm having. It's when accelerating in a straight line. After the shift, i feel the drivetrain lurch. |
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Has anyone tried this bracket from Burger?
https://burgertuning.com/collections...-f-chassis-bmw I haven't done much research but the description on the product page sounds like it does a great job of stabilizing the diff. |
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My car is a 6-speed as well and I seem to have the same feel. I think it could also have something to do with the Clutch Delay Valve in these cars. CDVs make shifting a lot more rough. The CDV in the F30 is built into the slave cylinder on the clutch, but there is a write up somewhere on these forums where someone removed it.
I might install the brace I mentioned above. Seems like an easy and effective. Worth a shot. CDV delete would be a good idea too. |
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Now this is interesting. I recently got the motorsport LSD in my 8spd-auto. Been doing some rolling start 20-80 runs in manual and sport mode testing a JB+ I just put in. On hard acceleration and shifts, I can feel the rear-end twist mildly. This what you are experiencing?
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The initial feedback I got was it's due to the open diff, so that's disappointing if you still get a similar feel with an LSD. I've also heard that it's indicating the rear shocks are worn or too soft, but it's not really a bouncy feeling that I would expect from it being a suspension issue. On my vw, I got a great improvement from doing motor mounts and it prevented a lot of vagueness in the steering and wheel hop. So i figured similar bushings in the rear would alleviate this effect. |
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Yeah I'm still thinking bushings will be the best fix. I don't have any slip so I know an LSD would be better, but in my experience it doesn't make a hug difference in straight line acceleration.
People in the WhatsApp group have been raving about solid subrame mounts. I think I'd start with the diff mount first, and then do the whole subframe if it still doesn't fix it. And yes, my front end is very tight now. But it's not so much sloppy in "comparison," just sloppy period. I'm also wondering if increasing my tire pressure would help, so I'll probably try that first. |
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Anyway the gist of all the research is this: the solid subframe mounts didn't add vibration or harshness. Only some reported a little additional noise, but if the car was already modded with things that increased nvh (ie monoball up front), then the mounts weren't noticeable. The majority of drivers who went down this road said that the differential and tranny mounts were the ones that really increased nvh. Here is a snapshot from a thread where the shop who is doing the installs gives feedback based on the work they've done and how their customers felt. It's not my personal experience but everyone appears to be very happy with the results.
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I just wanted to add my two cents... I have the bimmerworld solid subframe mounts, it was worth it. There was no increase in NVH at all. But it did accentuate the diff mounts weaknesses. Wish I had done the diff mount in the subframe at the same time, but I understand that one does add NVH.
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