07-05-2013, 05:31 AM | #1 |
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"Nope. Our decision was unanimous: We liked the old car better, if only by a slight margin. And later, when we hopped into a post-face-lift, Sport-package-equipped E90 328i, it was game over for the F30. No contest. "
Spot on. I think the fact that they did not have a sport package e90 leaves room for subjectivity, but overall I agree with their conclusion. I still prefer the f30 design. By far. Everything else goes to the e90. The f30 is still a formidable car. Very competent when compared to its competitors. Just not very competent when compared to its predecessors. |
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The F30 in their test is their long-termer, it's production date is before any of the updated racks. For this test, I say it again. No surprises. If it was 5 years ago and they brought out an E46 they would swoon for it and choose it over the E90. That is what they do. These guys are not spending money on getting the best all around car-DD for their families. They are just visiting, vacationing. Vacations are great, oh the fun. But plopping down the money to live there. That is what matters. A lot of the F30 makes it more appealing than the E90, enough so where people vote with money and make the choice to live with it every day. The things they are swooning about on vacation, the steering and lack of body roll, those are things I am more obsessed with in my pleasure car than my DD. There are reasons I and many others found enough good reasons to pass on the E90 for DD duties in the past 5 years. I voted with my wallet. I did not write an article about it. Every 6 months before the F30 I drove an E90-I was able to afford it, I wanted a second BMW parked next to my first. But it just gave me too many reasons to pass. The F30 did not. Sure, it had lighter steering with a bit less feedback, a bit more body roll than I was used to. But I also seem to throw wheels/tires and springs at every car I have ever owned. Boom, F30 had more steering feel, more heft, and less body roll. It is how the F30 MSport should have been from day one. I drive E9x's now and long for nothing when I get back into my car.
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People still want to mix and match and find a way to hate on the F30. If the 328 gets the love, people hate it on it due to the 4 cylinder and insist the 335 is the only way to go. But then if the 335 gets bad press for the handling-well no one wants to talk about the 328 doing better in testing and said to have the better handling because we have already dismissed the 328 for having a 4 cylinder. Here is how I would make things happy in fantasy land and have everyone shut up. I would have a 2.5L fully forged 6cylinder with direct injection and a twin scroll turbo. I would work with the packaging engineers to make it very compact and light weight so it sits farther back than the N55 and weights less similar to the N20. I would leave the N20 for the 320i. I would rename the 328 the 330. The 330 would have a rating of 265hp but you know, really make 270whp. The 335 would not have the N55. It would have the same 2.5L, but with a factory PPI treatment like the E92 335 is, and include extra cooling, overboost function, exhaust etc and have 325hp, or about 310whp. I would take the EPS and keep settings the same in comfort and ECO but in sport or sport+ I would dial the EPS way down to have more feedback and heft. For handling, I would have a Sport suspension available on Xdrive cars. I would have the Mperformance suspension standard on the MSport. If anyone found it too stiff-just recommend they order DHP with it(in my fantasy-you can have both). I would also allow for more interior color combos so you could get say saddle leather sport seats. How does that sound?
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I agree !!
Dynamically, coming from a F30 luxury, even the "regular" E90 feels just that much better and especially tighter ! The F30 non-sport suspension bounce like you know what ! Look wise and 8AT, F30 takes over, otherwise steering, suspension, dynamics, dimensions all goes to the E90
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The 328, the 4 cylinder in overall press, more times than not it is heralded and is the most competitive drivetrain in it's class. It came out #1 in a 7-8 car shoot out and has slayed the ATS and the new IS. The 4 cylinder is not the problem with the F30.
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It's an interesting build and you can't go wrong with saving weight. You would have me as a customer
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Engines are trending on getting smaller, the N55 replacement will most likely stay at 3.0L though.
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I've owned two E46 330i's, an E92 335i, and now an F30 335i. F30 is by FAR the best of the lot, hands-down. If they're testing a 2012-production F30 328i, there's been numerous improvements in the 2013-production cars. Had one for a loaner while having my MPPK installed, and it was far better than any 328i loaner I've ever driven.
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Just saying that for these guys, a 335i comparison might have yielded different results, but that's probably exactly why they didn't do it. Concluding that a new car is better than an old one is hardly ground-breaking news. |
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If this test was E90 335 vs F30 335, it would be an even better head to head-they would not try and make it about the engine which is largely a failing point. The N20 misses that great sound-I admit it. But it is FASTER, easier to tune/modify, and in the real world gets noticeably better fuel economy. The N20 is not the place to go in order to fly the flag that the E90 is better than the F30. In my view and many others, the N20 is the largest step forward from the E90. It's one of the main reasons I never put my money on a 328 before. It was always more of a car I would think of for my wife. The N20 bridged much of the gap to the N55 that the N52 never could.
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will have to disagree, on the street e90 328 cant get close to f30, in both straight line and in turns, e90 is a great car but f30 4t block is considerably better. no tuning involved f30 looks and performs better, e90 was that in 2006...
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Seeing how the E90 328i was always unremarkable and how every review ignored it over the 335i.... Yes this article was complete bullshit. Also Edmunds review and the Road and track contradict eachother over the numbers. Especially since R&T is claiming that on a roll out both cars have the same to 60 time (which makes no sense due to torque figures). Again though these are the same guys who have spoke ill on cars because they didn't offer a manual option. You can discount what I am about to say but it is true. Review Magazines tend to only hand out bad review like these when either the Manufacturer is not spending enough adverts from them or the manufacturer is unwilling to contest. They do not make money to give consumer advice.. they make money by selling adverts. Remember what Jay Leno said about why he didn't want to do topgear US. He said like all media the content will be slanted towards its advertisers and believe me when a mag perceives it isn't getting enough money from a manufacturer they will try to slam a product to effect sales so to "incentivize" the manufacturer's interests in the mag. Shit article by a shitty C&D spin off. Also why don't we ever get a bio on the reviewers? Why do you trust the word of a guy who may not be trained enough to know what he is supposed to be looking for? Last edited by Phaeron; 07-05-2013 at 11:06 AM.. |
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What flies in the face of logic for me is the trashing of the N20s mpg. I think most would agree that if you can improve a cars performance while maintaining its fuel efficiency that would be a win win situation and very commendable in its own right. In this case BMW actually improved the mpg, and they are trashed for this. That's the one area that stood out to me the most. Otherwise they are entitled to their own opinion.
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I don't think the economy in my F30 335i is much worse than my E90 328i was. I'm definitely using more gas, but that's because I'm finding more excuses to drive it somewhere |
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In all honesty that's one area they should have just let go, it's an objective measure, numbers don't lie. The subjective stuff is what they should have stuck with.
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