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      11-13-2019, 04:14 PM   #45
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We are in a period now where the fringe on each side is the only real voice, because the actual intelligent people have given up playing referee.
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The same was said about Obama before Iowa.
We'll see, I suppose.
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Bloomberg vs Paul would be the best nominees in my opinion. If they got nominated I would finally be voting on who I want to be president vs who I dislike less.
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The problem is the more social media takes over our daily lives, the more "normal" the fringe elements become.

We are in a period now where the fringe on each side is the only real voice, because the actual intelligent people have given up playing referee.
Agree. And the more extreme someone's view, and the more empty and meaningless their life, the more time and energy they'll put into one or more social media "campaigns." The dark side of technology is that extreme voices of the rage-fueled and resentful fringes can be amplified infinitely, so they drown out the voices of the moderate folks who have better things to do.
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What if...

How about this? Somebody like Rand Paul and Tulsi Gabbard or Mayor Pete team up as independents? So basically you get the Ross Perot AND Jill Stein effect to cancel each other out? I'd be in...
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How about this? Somebody like Rand Paul and Tulsi Gabbard or Mayor Pete team up as independents?
Since everybody depends on money, there is no such thing as "independence". In the end, everybody is "dependent" on something. If not money then pussies lols.
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Since everybody depends on money, there is no such thing as "independence". In the end, everybody is "dependent" on something. If not money then pussies lols.
Thanks, WestRace, but not the point I was trying to make. Maybe I should have been more clear. In order to defeat the ever worse partisanship in DC, let's put up a team that is a little of both sides to lead. It could be a thing, and would solve the problem of D vs R...
Maybe we could just go back to being ALL American instead of so divided. That is what needs to happen to reel in the crazy train we are on. I only suggest this as a means to that end.
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Thanks, WestRace, but not the point I was trying to make. Maybe I should have been more clear. In order to defeat the ever worse partisanship in DC, let's put up a team that is a little of both sides to lead. It could be a thing, and would solve the problem of D vs R...
Maybe we could just go back to being ALL American instead of so divided. That is what needs to happen to reel in the crazy train we are on. I only suggest this as a means to that end.
Of course I was joking, but I am not too far off since it always ends up like this.





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Since everybody depends on money, there is no such thing as "independence". In the end, everybody is "dependent" on something. If not money then pussies lols.
Thanks, WestRace, but not the point I was trying to make. Maybe I should have been more clear. In order to defeat the ever worse partisanship in DC, let's put up a team that is a little of both sides to lead. It could be a thing, and would solve the problem of D vs R...
Maybe we could just go back to being ALL American instead of so divided. That is what needs to happen to reel in the crazy train we are on. I only suggest this as a means to that end.
There is no solving your/our problem. There is two sides (D and R) and they are only getting further and further apart. I understand what you are getting at but it's just fantasyland at this point. Sad but true. Moderates will never get anywhere at this juncture even though that would be best for us all.

What really needs to happen won't. Get rid of every last politician in DC and start over with term limits.
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There is no solving your/our problem. There is two sides (D and R) and they are only getting further and further apart. I understand what you are getting at but it's just fantasyland at this point. Sad but true. Moderates will never get anywhere at this juncture even though that would be best for us all.

What really needs to happen won't. Get rid of every last politician in DC and start over with term limits.
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There is no solving your/our problem. There is two sides (D and R) and they are only getting further and further apart.
If ever there was an argument for a third major political party, today's government is it. As someone wrote, our current two-party system does not exist to look out for the welfare of the citizens, but rather for the two-party system's very survival.

If nobody had a majority, then our Congresscritters would <gasp> have to compromise in order to get (hopefully!) better middle-of-the-road consensus decisions, and not waste any time with fringe lunacy ideas from the far ends of the scale.....
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There is no solving your/our problem. There is two sides (D and R) and they are only getting further and further apart. I understand what you are getting at but it's just fantasyland at this point. Sad but true. Moderates will never get anywhere at this juncture even though that would be best for us all.

What really needs to happen won't. Get rid of every last politician in DC and start over with term limits.
I totally get what you are saying, and would not mind a reset of those in DC. While we may not be able to swap every one of em, some brave soul could come along and get term limits done. That would be a huge step in the right direction.

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If ever there was an argument for a third major political party, today's government is it. As someone wrote, our current two-party system does not exist to look out for the welfare of the citizens, but rather for the two-party system's very survival.

If nobody had a majority, then our Congresscritters would <gasp> have to compromise in order to get (hopefully!) better middle-of-the-road consensus decisions, and not waste any time with fringe lunacy ideas from the far ends of the scale.....
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Bill O'Reilly used to say "We don't have a two party system. We have a one party system". I don't know if there's any truth to that, but it's something to think about. Maybe there's UFO after all with an OverLord ruling over the world lols. Hopefully it's more like "Childhood's End" than "Independence Day" lols. I would prefer "Mars Attack" with a little bit of spice but a happy ending :-) It's the oldies that saved the world.
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Mayor Pete apparently is polling really well in Iowa. He'll be suicided soon, though.
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Mayor Pete apparently is polling really well in Iowa. He'll be suicided soon, though.
Damn, the pressure getting to the man or woman or ... eeerrr how should I put it? Will he be able deal with Putin? How about Kim Jong Un? Who will do Buttigieg on SNL? Kate McKinnon don't even have to dress up.
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The left platform has nothing to do with issues/voting history/values. It's about image and convincing the lower class/uneducated and inexperienced youth that they'll get things for free and that if they side with the right then they're automatically racist. We fail miserably as a society to teach these same people where the money comes from and who gains power every time something is given to you for free. It's the political party of people who can't conceive complex thought. Only A or B selections.
This is about as incorrect of a post as they come. They are opening a foxnews rehabilitation center.
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How someone could justify voting for Trump in any shape or form is boggling to me and I'm just 5% left of center. The guy is terrible. Simple as that in my book. I wish him nothing but absolutely the worst. His day of reckoning is coming and I'm not talking about impeachment (Senate won't do it). He doesn't care about you or me other than to fleece us.

As for the Democrats putting up a poor group of candidates, I agree. While I don't buy in to the notion that they are all candidates far left leaning, the reality is people at this point in time are either:

1) Voting by their bank accounts and paychecks.

2) Are very religious and will vote for the candidate that "embraces" their values and will look past everything else.

3) Are extremists diehards (both sides) that feel wronged by government, immigration, etc.

This country lacks a critical thinking voting public. You have to know how to compromise and do things for the collective good.
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We are in a period now where the fringe on each side is the only real voice, because the actual intelligent people have given up playing referee.
This is the most real thing I have seen on here in a while.
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Man, I really don't know what to say to that...

Anyway, back on target. Why isn't the DNC putting up an electable candidate?
I believe the DNC is trying to overly placate the public with lots of choices since 2015-2016 was easily seen (from the Wikileaks hacks) that the DNC had really only backed one choice.

So the DNC is now being quiet, but saying subtly "see, here's all the choices the "people" are asking for right now". It's a farce to slowly lead the public back down to "one real Den candidate".

If there were ever an election the Dems could win, it's 2020. But unfortunately I don't think the DNC has learned its lesson and Trump will unfortunately be a 2 term president.
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At this point, I would vote for whomever could get term limits done and would stop changing the clocks twice a year.
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I believe the DNC is trying to overly placate the public with lots of choices since 2015-2016 was easily seen (from the Wikileaks hacks) that the DNC had really only backed one choice.

So the DNC is now being quiet, but saying subtly "see, here's all the choices the "people" are asking for right now". It's a farce to slowly lead the public back down to "one real Den candidate".

If there were ever an election the Dems could win, it's 2020. But unfortunately I don't think the DNC has learned its lesson and Trump will unfortunately be a 2 term president.
I don't think DNC can be blamed this time. They did put up a bunch of centrist candidates but the dems voters are all hell bent on progressive stuffs so they all end up voting for Warren. But Warren seems to be learning now she's backing off on her wacko ideas.
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At this point, I would vote for whomever could get term limits done and would stop changing the clocks twice a year.
Change the clocks by 30 minutes 4 times a year. Piss everybody off!!

But yeah, fuck not having term limits.
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