[Sennen]

Originally Posted by sahajesh

Or midnight silver grey whatever as the next inoffensive (but chargeable) colour.

To be fair it looks marginally better in the grey, red or blue but 'Poverty White' does it no favours at all!!

I still wouldnt be seen dead in a ditch with one even if they were giving them away

[Blacktemplar]

Bit if a "thread resurrection" but does anyone have any experience of the Polestar 2? Saw the CarWow review of it recently and Mat Watson seemed to rate it. There's a storm grey one near us and I quite liked its chunky looks.

It suffers from a similar sloping roofline as the EV6 which eats into load volume, but I think its not bad looking. In AWD 402bhp guise it seems like decent value for money as well, albeit it only got a 'consider' as its optional sport pack doesn't seem to do much except spoil the ride.

Maybe an interesting alternative to the Tesla/Kia/Hyundai offerings?

https://www.carwow.co.uk/polestar/2#gref

[isleaiw1]

Originally Posted by Blacktemplar

Bit if a "thread resurrection" but does anyone have any experience of the Polestar 2? Saw the CarWow review of it recently and Mat Watson seemed to rate it. There's a storm grey one near us and I quite liked its chunky looks.

It suffers from a similar sloping roofline as the EV6 which eats into load volume, but I think its not bad looking. In AWD 402bhp guise it seems like decent value for money as well, albeit it only got a 'consider' as its optional sport pack doesn't seem to do much except spoil the ride.

Maybe an interesting alternative to the Tesla/Kia/Hyundai offerings?

https://www.carwow.co.uk/polestar/2#gref

If you want more squared off for more practical space, there is the Volvo XC40 P8, which i think is the same underneath. Probably less sporty and more floaty comfortable.

Or now they do a C30 version which is a coupe SUV thing and gets you back to lack of space in back / boot...

[JustChris]

Love the looks but the range, charging and lease is weak.

[Blacktemplar]

Originally Posted by saltyamigo

The current drawback for Polestar is public charging, they can't use the Supercharger network (not yet anyway) and they are not part of the Ionity Group of manufacturers so pay full price of 69p/kwh unless you pay for a monthly subscription. Out with Tesla and Ionity there are very few 100+Kw chargers in Scotland. Maybe not an issue if you will rarely charge away from home.

Here is a video comparison from just a day or two ago. He likes both cars.

I suspect I'd probably charge 90%+ at home, it would only be occasional longer trips away where I might need to charge using a public network. Mrs BT has a 118i which is probably big enough for those more rare occasions where we'd be somewhere remote in the Highlands/Islands.

It's disappointing that Tesla have the jump on everyone else on the charging network. It means that if you don't like/want a Tesla (I don't on either count), your options are more limited at the premium end of the EV market.

[Blacktemplar]

Originally Posted by saltyamigo

Tesla are currently trialling opening some of their Superchargers in Holland to all EV's.

https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/support/...-supercharging

Some interesting comments;

"Access to an extensive, convenient and reliable fast-charging network is critical for large-scale EV adoption"

and

"It’s always been our ambition to open the Supercharger network to Non-Tesla EVs, and by doing so, encourage more drivers to go electric. This move directly supports our mission to accelerate the world’s transition to sustainable energy"

but

"we will be closely monitoring each site for congestion and listening to customers about their experiences"

If non-Tesla owners are paying a premium to use the supercharger sites, then hopefully the revenue & profit from that will as they say be reinvested into expansion.

[Blacktemplar]

Originally Posted by isleaiw1

If you want more squared off for more practical space, there is the Volvo XC40 P8, which i think is the same underneath. Probably less sporty and more floaty comfortable.

Or now they do a C30 version which is a coupe SUV thing and gets you back to lack of space in back / boot...

For me at least that's the conundrum - I want the size/versatility of the X3 but the range/charger network of the Tesla, in a package that's not run off an iPad, with an interior made from (and looks like) recycled coke bottles, and doesn't cost as much as a small tropical island.

The Goldilocks car.....

[isleaiw1]

Originally Posted by Blacktemplar

For me at least that's the conundrum - I want the size/versatility of the X3 but the range/charger network of the Tesla, in a package that's not run off an iPad, with an interior made from (and looks like) recycled coke bottles, and doesn't cost as much as a small tropical island.

The Goldilocks car.....

If you dropped the EV then I'd say maybe an X3 M40i or d secondhand to restrict price and depreciation

[Blacktemplar]

Originally Posted by isleaiw1

If you dropped the EV then I'd say maybe an X3 M40i or d secondhand to restrict price and depreciation

I think I'm just going to give up on going all Greta and enjoy what I've got while I can....

[Watsey]

Originally Posted by JustChris

Love the looks but the range, charging and lease is weak.

Nail. Head. Hit.

CarWow's head-to-head test of the Polestar 2, Model 3 LR and Model 3 Performance - continuous lapping of the M25.

Polestar retires first - 197 miles, only 68% of the published figure.

M3 SR+ (now just called "Model 3"), 218 miles, 79% of claimed range.

M3 Performance 286 miles, 81% of claimed range.

The Polestar is ~400kg heavier and just not as efficient. Sub 200 miles is disappointing for a ~£50K EV.

[MashinBenzin]

Originally Posted by Blacktemplar

I suspect I'd probably charge 90%+ at home, it would only be occasional longer trips away where I might need to charge using a public network. Mrs BT has a 118i which is probably big enough for those more rare occasions where we'd be somewhere remote in the Highlands/Islands.

It's disappointing that Tesla have the jump on everyone else on the charging network. It means that if you don't like/want a Tesla (I don't on either count), your options are more limited at the premium end of the EV market.

I've always felt that Tesla's main play was the charging network. That they want to be the next Shell more than they want to be the next Ford.

[DB118D]

Originally Posted by Watsey

Nail. Head. Hit.

CarWow's head-to-head test of the Polestar 2, Model 3 LR and Model 3 Performance - continuous lapping of the M25.

Polestar retires first - 197 miles, only 68% of the published figure.

M3 SR+ (now just called "Model 3"), 218 miles, 79% of claimed range.

M3 Performance 286 miles, 81% of claimed range.

The Polestar is ~400kg heavier and just not as efficient. Sub 200 miles is disappointing for a ~£50K EV.

Wait until you see what the Audi E-tron does for twice the price

[Watsey]

Originally Posted by DB118D

Wait until you see what the Audi E-tron does for twice the price

Already watched it - shocking for a car with a price tag that pretty much starts at £50K.

From the Collins English dictionary :

Etron : "masculine noun. excrement ⧫ turd (informal)"

[Bryans69]

Originally Posted by MashinBenzin

I've always felt that Tesla's main play was the charging network. That they want to be the next Shell more than they want to be the next Ford.

That's what I've always thought as well. The car manufacturers are catching up fast, and will soon overtake Tesla in terms of a 'better' EV, whilst all the time he has been building the infrastructure required to make them useable in the real world.

[gangzoom]

Originally Posted by MashinBenzin

I've always felt that Tesla's main play was the charging network. That they want to be the next Shell more than they want to be the next Ford.

Tesla has never wanted to be the next Ford (or Shell). We are apparently living through the 4th industrial revolution, and companies like Tesla, Google, Amazon are testament to that.

The real USP Tesla is trying to build is not in the cars or infrastructure but digital tools that will enable true autonomy. The value of Tesla stock pretty much reflect this.

https://mobile.twitter.com/tesla/sta...61309734096900

[E60MKF]

Originally Posted by gangzoom

Tesla has never wanted to be the next Ford (or Shell). We are apparently living through the 4th industrial revolution, and companies like Tesla, Google, Amazon are testament to that.

The real USP Tesla is trying to build is not in the cars or infrastructure but digital tools that will enable true autonomy. The value of Tesla stock pretty much reflect this.

https://mobile.twitter.com/tesla/sta...61309734096900

I look forward to the day that Tesla open up the SuC network, sell their battery and AP tech and pretty much become an OEM.

There are things tesla do well but making cars, not so much. I say this as an owner since 2016 (AP2), similar time as you.

[sahajesh]

Have we found the rarest thing of all, an *unhappy* Tesla owner?

[MashinBenzin]

Originally Posted by sahajesh

Have we found the rarest thing of all, an *unhappy* Tesla owner?

Maybe not on the five figure incentive gravy train?

[mcoops]

Originally Posted by gangzoom

Tesla has never wanted to be the next Ford (or Shell). We are apparently living through the 4th industrial revolution, and companies like Tesla, Google, Amazon are testament to that.

The real USP Tesla is trying to build is not in the cars or infrastructure but digital tools that will enable true autonomy. The value of Tesla stock pretty much reflect this.

https://mobile.twitter.com/tesla/sta...61309734096900

I'm not sure it's either the infra or the autonomy tools per se. What makes these companies successful is the ability to anticipate and even dictate the market. If it Tesla remains successful, it will be because they move their investment and effort on from batteries, infra and autonomy tooling before those things sit in a crowded space. Whatever you think of Amazon, that's what they do well - moving from being an online bookseller to a provider of digital infrastructure, to providing a dominant inventory/availability and fulfilment model, to creating a near-universal subscription service, etc. etc.

[Blacktemplar]

Came across the Fisker Ocean, looks interesting if “niche”. They look to be aiming at principally a leasing model rather than direct sales. Apparently you can reserve a launch model for a paltry $250… coming to the UK from next year. Allegedly.

https://www.fiskerinc.com/ocean

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/m...300-mile-range

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...n-electric-suv

[Watsey]

Originally Posted by Blacktemplar

Came across the Fisker Ocean, looks interesting if “niche”. They look to be aiming at principally a leasing model rather than direct sales. Apparently you can reserve a launch model for a paltry $250… coming to the UK from next year. Allegedly.

https://www.fiskerinc.com/ocean

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/m...300-mile-range

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...n-electric-suv

I didn't realise that Fisker was owned by JLR.

[Blacktemplar]

Originally Posted by Watsey

I didn't realise that Fisker was owned by JLR.

It does have a bit of a RR vibe going on, particularly from the front.

It’s like the ugly love child of a Velar and a Lexus. Or maybe a Volvo whose mother was distantly related to a Mini. Or something.