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      09-26-2018, 06:26 PM   #67
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The steering ruined it for me and frankly I'm not looking for a track car at this time. If I was it would probably be a Lotus or something lightweight and fun like an Ariel Atom. The way the 435i is set up now she actually feels faster than the M4. I have not dynoed her since getting the downpipe I guess I should get around to that.... but actually I really don't care. That's not personal against you, it's just I'm happy with the car in the way it's set up in the way it feels, and the way it drives in the way the suspension feels.

The N55 with 8AT is a great combo imho. Smooth and casual, or quite powerful. My car pulls very hard above 3500 and never lets up all the way to redline. But hey, love your M whatever. They are said to be great cars.
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Truly do appreciate your help. Test drove the M4 and found the steering 'feel' to be a complete and unmitigated disaster. It also felt like the car was trying too hard to FEEL fast instead of actually being fast. Have owned Ferrari, Bentley (never again!), F250 SuperDuty Off-Road (for true off-road fun plus it towed the 21' aluminum enclosed trailer with the SCCA spec Formula 2000 open wheel track car that was raced for two years... earned Driver's Championship), driven friend's Porsche, NSX, GT-R, etc.

For what i wanted for the current vehicle is my own personal preferences. My next might (one again) be a truck, maybe a F150. Basically, the M4 DID NOT meet up to what my (today's) personal preference wanted for the chosen current vehicle. Will make no apologies, as this is a preference. Am very happy to have the tweaked 435i, as she feels right, drives the way i current want in a daily driver and fun car. Smooth, very fast (when needed) and (knocking on wood) works great without ever throwing a CEL, etc. If i wanted a 'faster' car, or one that has some type of 'pedigree' i would have gotten one.

Again, very much appreciate your suggestion of the M4, yet tried it and came away under-impressed.
The steering on the Ms is very stiff yes but to be fair ,your 435i is nicely modded, a fbo 435 like yours which I’m assuming has a bigger than stock turbo would not surprise me if it felt faster than a stock M4. I really like my 335 as well especially since it’s Xdrive and a manual 6 speed. However a 1200.00 investment in an M3 or M4 can truly make them extremely fast like 60 to 130 mph in low 7 secs. That’s like stock 911 turbo country. I’d have to invest more than 1200.00 into my 335 to make it run low 7s in a 60 to 130mph sprint. Then again I paid less for my 335i so one half dozen to another.
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However a 1200 investment in an M3 or M4 can truly make them extremely fast like 60 to 130 mph in low 7 secs. That’s like stock 911 turbo country. I’d have to invest more than 1200 into my 335 to make it run low 7s in a 60 to 130mph sprint. Then again I paid less for my 335i so one half dozen to another.
Yes, bigger than stock turbo and that helps a lot of course as does the HJS cat, etc. Your thoughts and mine as the same with "one half dozen to another". All things being equal-ish, came out ahead versus M4 too. Long story short, some of the $$$$ Dinan bits were included as part of a trade-in deal (the Bentley GTC, a brand i'll never, ever, oh hell no, no f-ing way will i ever buy again).

BTW: Thanks for being an awesome, open-minded guy on all this as have read threads like this that go WAAAAAY downhill. SO here's something for you to ponder.... If you want to step back a bit and LOL @ my car habit, look at what just two years of depreciation is on a Bentley GTC W12 twin-turbo.

HINT: Depreciation is more than the 435i with Dinan bits and bolt-ons.. and that's JUST depreciation!

ADDED: Ok, i had to look online for sh*t-n-giggles. Used 2017 GTC W12 $264,540 msrp, selling at $197,856 with only 5190 miles. That's $2778.50 depreciation per month over a two year period. Get ready, that's $12.85 per mile.
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Yes, bigger than stock turbo and that helps a lot of course as does the HJS cat, etc. Your thoughts and mine as the same with "one half dozen to another". All things being equal-ish, came out ahead versus M4 too. Long story short, some of the $$$$ Dinan bits were included as part of a trade-in deal (the Bentley GTC, a brand i'll never, ever, oh hell no, no f-ing way will i ever buy again).

BTW: Thanks for being an awesome, open-minded guy on all this as have read threads like this that go WAAAAAY downhill. SO here's something for you to ponder.... If you want to step back a bit and LOL @ my car habit, look at what just two years of depreciation is on a Bentley GTC W12 twin-turbo.

HINT: Depreciation is more than the 435i with Dinan bits and bolt-ons.. and that's JUST depreciation!

ADDED: Ok, i had to look online for sh*t-n-giggles. Used 2017 GTC W12 $264,540 msrp, selling at $197,856 with only 5190 miles. That's $2778.50 depreciation per month over a two year period. Get ready, that's $12.85 per mile.
Wow I guess the Bentley is in the company if not worse than an Merc Benz/AMG S and CL and of course BMW 7 series. Horrible depreciation indeed.

Active Autowerkes and VTT will be coming out with their turbo kits so I am on the lookout. It's keeping me from pulling the trigger on an M3 right now.
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Wow I guess the Bentley is in the company if not worse than an Merc Benz/AMG S and CL and of course BMW 7 series. Horrible depreciation indeed.

Active Autowerkes and VTT will be coming out with their turbo kits so I am on the lookout. It's keeping me from pulling the trigger on an M3 right now.
Where did you hear about this AA turbo?
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Where did you hear about this AA turbo?
David mentioned it in one of my recent thread posts.
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Yes, bigger than stock turbo and that helps a lot of course as does the HJS cat, etc. Your thoughts and mine as the same with "one half dozen to another". All things being equal-ish, came out ahead versus M4 too. Long story short, some of the $$$$ Dinan bits were included as part of a trade-in deal (the Bentley GTC, a brand i'll never, ever, oh hell no, no f-ing way will i ever buy again).

BTW: Thanks for being an awesome, open-minded guy on all this as have read threads like this that go WAAAAAY downhill. SO here's something for you to ponder.... If you want to step back a bit and LOL @ my car habit, look at what just two years of depreciation is on a Bentley GTC W12 twin-turbo.

HINT: Depreciation is more than the 435i with Dinan bits and bolt-ons.. and that's JUST depreciation!

ADDED: Ok, i had to look online for sh*t-n-giggles. Used 2017 GTC W12 $264,540 msrp, selling at $197,856 with only 5190 miles. That's $2778.50 depreciation per month over a two year period. Get ready, that's $12.85 per mile.
Wow I guess the Bentley is in the company if not worse than an Merc Benz/AMG S and CL and of course BMW 7 series. Horrible depreciation indeed.

Active Autowerkes and VTT will be coming out with their turbo kits so I am on the lookout. It's keeping me from pulling the trigger on an M3 right now.
Audis as well. Really just any super luxury German vehicle. 2-3 yrs and they lose about 50%.
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Audis as well. Really just any super luxury German vehicle. 2-3 yrs and they lose about 50%.
Funny how Audi and Bentley are both the VW Group products. What i didn't mention is the known engineering defects in the Bentley that the VW Group refuses to recall... or at least help out when their $300 price $100 hose fails and you need a $4000 engine out to fix it. Oh, and they didnt update the design with proper hard lines imho.

Then there's the known VW Group Bentley brand manufacturing defect rear window in the GTC that just falls out due to heat in places like Florida. Just falls right out, really. On a $200,000 car. Oh, a convertible top replacement is $17,000. Oh, and then there's the....

But hey, maybe this post will help someone in the future to avoid VW Group. Horrid company imho and BMW is soooooooooo much better imho.
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Active Autowerkes and VTT will be coming out with their turbo kits so I am on the lookout. It's keeping me from pulling the trigger on an M3 right now.
Either one of these options expected in next 90-180 days?
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Either one of these options expected in next 90-180 days?
According to THEM yes😎
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Audis as well. Really just any super luxury German vehicle. 2-3 yrs and they lose about 50%.
I agree with most of your comment, but there are exceptions: Audi's tend to hold better value than most of the basic German luxury brands. A new $50k S4 is not $25k in 3 years. A new $70k A7/S7 is not $35k in 3 years. Even a basic new A4 2.0T at $40k is not $20k in 3 years. And that entire statement doesn't apply to Porsche! Maybe a base Panamera, and even that's not half in 3 years, but it's definitely the highest depreciating Porsche at this point. Cayenne, Macan, 911, Cayman, Boxster, base model or upgraded models, none of those depreciate anywhere near the number you mentioned.
BMW, Mercedes, Cadillac, Jaguar: Most cars in all the mentioned brands plummet in value from new to 3 years old. That's what makes Beemers and the other mentioned brands such great values on the second hand market! Of course there are a couple of Benz and Jaguar products that hold value a bit better, but as a whole, they all dump!
I bought my wife's $64k MSRP 2015 335i M-sport with adaptive suspension (and almost every option available) about 3 and a half months ago for exactly half! And I paid full retail, I didn't get some special deal. BMW's dump! Thats why the extreme majority of new BMW sales are leases, not purchases...
I love Beemers for the way they drive, the way they feel on the inside, the way they look, and the way they depreciate (if you buy them correctly, they're a great value)!
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I love Audis, still. They only hold their value like this in snowy areas, like here in the northeast. Whenever I was on a search to purchase one the same models in warmer regions was always cheaper. I've owned two in the last decade and would have jumped into an s4 if they were as cheap as the same year 335s in NE.

2013-2015 S4s carried a 4-8K premium over a similarly spec and mileage 335. So here I am. I took the opportunity to try something new and I am liking it. I do miss the interiors though, however, it is night and day in the balance department. Spirited driving is definitely more fun now. I owned a heavily suspension modded 5spd 1.8T, and a 3.0 supercharged A6.
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Purely from a horsepower/torque standpoint, what comes next after CAI, CP, FMIC, DP and a tune? I have a '12 335i sedan - PWG N55. What is the next logical power adder I should consider? I am thinking fuel delivery, meth injection, and maybe a bigger turbo. What other options are there? There is tons of information here for all the FBO options, but not many that I can find for beyond that point (...and maybe my search skills are lacking as well...). Just curious where you folks would spend your money if you had up to about $5,000 to spend on squeezing more out of the 3.0 liter?
I recognize that traction and transmission longevity become an issue as the power goes up, but for the sake of this post let's keep to power adders only. Thanks in advance!
Did you get your answer? Your next move would be turbocharger and custom tune. Done!
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Did you get your answer? Your next move would be turbocharger and custom tune. Done!
...and then some! Yes, thanks to all who responded.
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https://www.speedtech.com

Any insight on this 630hp speedtech?
It's a nice turbo and a pretty nice kit for drag racing or track work. Too big for an AT street car IMO.
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https://www.speedtech.com

Any insight on this 630hp speedtech?
Big turbos are super cool for 1/4-1/2 mile and dyno queens. Lagging and not as much fun on the street. The Speedtech kit with the 7064 EFR is the only one I would consider for a street car.
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Lagging and not as much fun on the street.
Hmmm, the larger turbo in my Dinan setup doesnt have (much) lag, actually feels like less lag than stock. Keeping her spooled with engine over 3500 rpm she is a beast!

Am sure guys here know their setups and where to keep rpm, or to proactively downshift to keep turbo happy.
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Big turbos are super cool for 1/4-1/2 mile and dyno queens. Lagging and not as much fun on the street. The Speedtech kit with the 7064 EFR is the only one I would consider for a street car.
Unfortunately EFR compressor wheels are optimised for small engines running big boost. Running them on a big engine at moderate boost throws them out of their efficiency range quickly. People even start to experience this at high RPM with N54s with the EFR 7670.
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