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      09-18-2019, 09:12 PM   #1145
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Yes, most people including myself would have preferred an in-house project, but it is what it is. With that said...

How so? Tada-san has stated that the car will receive yearly updates. I don't see how that is any different than what other auto makers have done in the past. When I brought my 05 545i for BMW to only release the 550i for the 2006 year model.

To be fair tons of other sports cars (NSX, GTR, FR-S/86 etc.) have gone through the same process. It isn't an automakers fault that auto media has nothing better to do then to run the same stories over and over with slightly angles.

Rebaded BMW: That would be true if BMW was already developing a new Z4 and Toyota jumped on and piggy backed on the process. The fact is that both companies worked together on a joint chassis for both cars. Yes I know the drivetrain and suspension came from the BMW parts bin. Love it or hate it, we're going to see more of these joint ventures for low volume niche products.

Weaker tech: Well there is a huge price differences between the I6 Supra and Z4 M40i. Looking at the sales and reviews, I think most people are just fine with less tech.

Poor timing: You can blame BMW for stalling this project for a whole year.

Polarizing design: I'm just wondering if you have seen one in person? I thought it look like shit in photo until I see one at the dealer. A lot of other people on various forums felt the same way as well. You can't please everyone, but for a $50k car I think it looks pretty nice in the flesh.
I have seen one in person at a dealership. Overall I do like the design, but the fake vents annoy me. However, that can be overlooked if it is fun to drive. I did really prefer the looks of the concept car, but it is to be expected that got watered down.

For my point on Tada vs Elon lots of car companies do this and without the full details on what is planned for 2021 its hard to judge. However, if it is similar priced and at the 385 mark that has to specifically sting those that just literally picked up the car. I was under the impression that leading up to the launch Toyota was going to take the 86 approach and not do a significant bump to power. At least the e60 5 was out for a couple of years prior to the 550. I always felt bad for those that got a 2007 530 or 330 when the x35s came out the next year.


The rebadged comments are generally an oversimplification. The use of BMW engine, drivetrain and infotainment do give some validity to the thought though. Personally I don't care as I am more of a Z4 fan than Supra.

For the weaker tech I am specially referring to the difference in power to the Z4. Granted their is some price point consideration, but it does not provide for PR. Personally I would hold judgement until I could drive both. The underrated 335 should be more than enough for most people driving. Which would include myself.
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      09-18-2019, 09:37 PM   #1146
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I have seen one in person at a dealership. Overall I do like the design, but the fake vents annoy me. However, that can be overlooked if it is fun to drive. I did really prefer the looks of the concept car, but it is to be expected that got watered down.

For my point on Tada vs Elon lots of car companies do this and without the full details on what is planned for 2021 its hard to judge. However, if it is similar priced and at the 385 mark that has to specifically sting those that just literally picked up the car. I was under the impression that leading up to the launch Toyota was going to take the 86 approach and not do a significant bump to power. At least the e60 5 was out for a couple of years prior to the 550. I always felt bad for those that got a 2007 530 or 330 when the x35s came out the next year.

The rebadged comments are generally an oversimplification. The use of BMW engine, drivetrain and infotainment do give some validity to the thought though. Personally I don't care as I am more of a Z4 fan than Supra.

For the weaker tech I am specially referring to the difference in power to the Z4. Granted their is some price point consideration, but it does not provide for PR. Personally I would hold judgement until I could drive both. The underrated 335 should be more than enough for most people driving. Which would include myself.
Yeah fake vents are lame, get those power drills ready . Of course the concept looked better as with most concept vs production. I haven't driven one, but most people (minus Chris Harris) have nothing but positive comments. I can't recall any reviews were the tester picked the Z4 over the Supra.

The E60 545i was sold for just two years before BMW introduced the 550i. I also betting that the Supra started production a few months behind the 2019 Z4 due to an agreement made between the two companies. BMW probably wanted the Z4 to have the spotlight and attention. Well that's the differences between BMW and Subaru.

Even with less power I believe all the comparison videos and reviews have the Supra matching or exceeding the Z4's 0-60 and 1/4 mile time.
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      09-19-2019, 12:11 AM   #1147
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I like how the Z4 and Supra are virtually the same yet the Supra seems substantially faster. Wonder extra special sauce they put in the B58 in the supra. Z4 isn’t much heavier.
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      09-19-2019, 08:58 AM   #1148
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      09-19-2019, 09:26 AM   #1149
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12 Supra vins were found with the B58D/382hp version which is what is in the M340i and Z4 so it is definitely being considered

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I meant how are early adopters getting screwed, if like you just shared, multiple launch edition cars have the engine?

Are they just picking and choosing?
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      09-19-2019, 09:30 AM   #1150
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I meant how are early adopters getting screwed, if like you just shared, multiple launch edition cars have the engine?

Are they just picking and choosing?
I am unsure what youre asking. These are most likely test cars and are not on the road
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      09-19-2019, 12:43 PM   #1151
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I am unsure what youre asking. These are most likely test cars and are not on the road
Gotcha. When you said that 12 have been found with the VIN with the more powerful engine, I thought you were saying they were production cars that been sold to customers.

I won't possibly be a buyer on one until next year anyway. I'm looking at a vasy array of different cars toward next fall.

New BRZ, new STi (have to see what the specs end up being on both), see what prices do on a C7 Grand Sport, maybe a Camaro SS 1LE, Mustnag GT PP2, see if EcuTek cracks the 19+ Miata ECU so that Edlebrock will develop a new supercharger for it, etc.

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      09-19-2019, 02:31 PM   #1152
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Not impressive at all, the camaro ss is better in every way and costs 10k less.
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      09-19-2019, 03:00 PM   #1153
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Not impressive at all, the camaro ss is better in every way and costs 10k less.
Have you sat in one?

Interior was such a huge turn off, felt cheaper to me than even the mustang GT.
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Have you sat in one?

Interior was such a huge turn off, felt cheaper to me than even the mustang GT.
Felt ok alot of hard plastics but main touch points were fine, not much of a downgrade from entry level bmw's tbh. The biggest problem was total lack of side visibility and no sunlight in cabin.
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Have you sat in one?

Interior was such a huge turn off, felt cheaper to me than even the mustang GT.
Are you sure you didn't get in the 86 or are you talking about the Camaro? Although the Supra is not as nice as my F10, the car felt way nicer than my former e92

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      09-19-2019, 04:42 PM   #1156
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I won't possibly be a buyer on one until next year anyway. I'm looking at a vasy array of different cars toward next fall.

New BRZ, new STi (have to see what the specs end up being on both), see what prices do on a C7 Grand Sport, maybe a Camaro SS 1LE, Mustnag GT PP2, see if EcuTek cracks the 19+ Miata ECU so that Edlebrock will develop a new supercharger for it, etc.

It's definitely a great time to be an enthusiast!
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The Manual Toyota Supra Will Be More Special Than We Thought

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San Antonio-base tuner European Auto Group caught the world's attention earlier this year when it announced the first-ever manual-swapped fifth-generation Toyota Supra. EAG has already successfully created the world's only manual Ferrari 430 Scuderia and is in the process of building a manual 458 Italia, so it's well up to the task.

EAG owner Art Bartosik gave CarBuzz an exclusive update on how the build is going and to announce more details about what customers can expect from the swap. This won't just be a stock Supra with a manual gear lever, EAG is redesigning the entire dashboard to work with the new transmission.

"Currently, the interior is in the design phase with a preliminary sketch completed to a final rendering. Our designer is currently in Korea working with composite engineers to bring the center console to life in the same factory carbon fiber finish. The buttons for the lane assist, traction, auto stop/start, and the parking brake will be relocated and redeveloped into the new console," Bartosik says.

"The A/C controls will be moved back into the dash another 2.5 inches to make gears one, three, and five easier to access without hitting the display and controls. The driver's side angled knee guard will be cut back and replaced with a new piece matching the interior," he adds. Bartosik also addressed the shift knob, which he promised would look like the unit found on the Toyota GR HV Sports concept.

"The shift knob you see [in the rendering] is just generic, as we will work on a custom knob with a flip-up button for sport mode, which will be available later on as an option called 'The Concept Shifter.'"

As for all of the car's modern software, EAG has "acquired the newest version of BMW Diagnostic and Programming software and has found that the modules can be seamlessly retrofitted to a manual transmission. The car will have all other electronics and communication with all required sensors so the buttons and functions will work as intended from the factory," Bartosik promises.

In addition to a sketch and a nice rendering, EAG also provided a picture of a cutout next to the brake pedal (for the clutch pedal) and a picture showing the recess for the clutch master cylinder rod. The clutch assembly, clutch master cylinder, and lines are all factory OEM BMW components and aside from the custom center console, all parts will be sourced directly from BMW. Part of the research development for the hydraulic lines is being performed by UK-based Hydra-Test and the first transmission was sourced from Sussex Auto Parts.

Of course, this is still a modified car, meaning Toyota's three-year/36,000-mile warranty will be out the window. Fortunately, EAG says it will offer one-, two-, and three-year bumper-to-bumper warranties on the transmission swap and other major items like the alternator. Wear and tear items like the brakes and clutch won't be covered but "if Toyota doesn't pick up the warranty, then EAG will," says Bartosik.

As for allocations, EAG says it will perform 16 swaps in the next 12 months and "if demand is higher we will request more transmissions." Build slots are available now with a $6,000 deposit and a total cost of $12,000. This may sound like a lot of money just for a manual transmission, but as you can see, there is more work being done here and you will end up with one of the only fifth-gen manual Supras in the world. The builds are slated to begin after the 2019 SEMA show in November.

Bartosik anticipates the Supra build slots will go quickly and mentions that EAG has received calls for more Ferrari manual swaps and even the new C8 Chevrolet Corvette. "It looks like kids do want what their fathers and grandfathers enjoyed as car enthusiasts," he says, referring to driving a manual transmission car. Perhaps if there is enough demand, EAG will answer enthusiast's prayers by applying its manual-swapping skills on the new Corvette.

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Supra is a car that should be in the $30s IMO
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Supra is a car that should be in the $30s IMO
You're trolling. It takes on the $59,000 M2C for less money. Tell me where the '335hp' hurt you
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Supra is a car that should be in the $30s IMO
The BASE Supra, in 1996, was a $40K car. How the f**k do you justify the new Supra, 24 years later, to cost LESS than last generation car?

Inconceivable.
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      09-20-2019, 02:28 PM   #1163
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Even with inflation it's still a cheaper car.

2019
Base: $49,990
Premium: $53,990

1993
NA: $33,900
Tubro: $39,900

MKIV with inflation
NA: $60,189
Tubro: $70,841

Anyways, another youtube video.

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finally saw one in person the other day.... thought I might like it better if I saw it in person.

sorry to say, I wasn't impressed......its just not a very good looking car at all imo.
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Sat in one last week - very nice, perfect size too - nice and small!

Aesthetically not my style but could be subject to change once I get to drive one
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Wish it came with a manual trans
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