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      05-28-2013, 10:18 AM   #177
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Will the 4 series come with a dual clutch 8 speed automatic?
No, it's the ZF 8 speed, same as the one on the F30 and F10, with the Sport option. Not a dual clutch, but an excellent transmission, really.
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No, it's the ZF 8 speed, same as the one on the F30 and F10, with the Sport option. Not a dual clutch, but an excellent transmission, really.
Good friend of mine has a e92 335i and he told me he's getting bored with the 8 speed zf and if he could do it over he would get a MT or DCT
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      05-29-2013, 09:24 AM   #179
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Good friend of mine has a e92 335i and he told me he's getting bored with the 8 speed zf and if he could do it over he would get a MT or DCT
If he has an E92 335i, then he is unlikely to have a ZF8.
Or did he get an F30 with a ZF8 and he misses his old E92 335i?
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Good friend of mine has a e92 335i and he told me he's getting bored with the 8 speed zf and if he could do it over he would get a MT or DCT
The E92 has a ZF 6-speed automatic. That is also not a bad automatic transmission (I have one in my E60), but apparently the 8 speed is a notable improvement, especially with the sport option.

I agree, it would be fun if the 435 were to come with the dual clutch that they use in the M3. It would be a way BMW could differentiate the 4 from the 3, but they chose not to go that way. Unfortunate since the Audi S5 does use a dual clutch automated manual. Then again so does the S4.

Still, nobody seems to be complaining about the ZF8.
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      05-29-2013, 10:33 AM   #181
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If he has an E92 335i, then he is unlikely to have a ZF8.
Or did he get an F30 with a ZF8 and he misses his old E92 335i?
You are correct he has the 6 speed automatic not the 8
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      05-29-2013, 10:48 AM   #182
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I suspect the price difference between the F30 and F32, will be much greater than the E90 and E92. But it looks from the F32 option sheet, there really isn't going to be much different from the F30. So in reality, it kinda does come down to the number 4.

I think the price difference will now be more like the A4 and A5. Around $5k.
I'm hoping the price difference is $3499 max lol. The A5 comes with "Three-zone automatic climate control." A4 doesn't lol.
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The E92 has a ZF 6-speed automatic. That is also not a bad automatic transmission (I have one in my E60), but apparently the 8 speed is a notable improvement, especially with the sport option.

I agree, it would be fun if the 435 were to come with the dual clutch that they use in the M3. It would be a way BMW could differentiate the 4 from the 3, but they chose not to go that way. Unfortunate since the Audi S5 does use a dual clutch automated manual. Then again so does the S4.

Still, nobody seems to be complaining about the ZF8.
You are right about the 6 speed automatic on the e92

The 135i and 135is come with DCT standard, I believe all Audis have the S Tronic DCT transmission and even the new Mercedes CLA starting at $30K comes with DCT.

I don't have much experience driving MT so I was really looking forward to DCT, thought that would be one of the ways for BMW to differentiate the 3 and the 4. After all the order sheets don't offer a sports transmission option and models with DCT standard don't offer sports transmission either
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so what do you guys think the price difference will be, also the parking sensors and the heated seats will be standards
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Still, nobody seems to be complaining about the ZF8.
That's probably because the ZF8 is such a fantastic auto transmission. It's silly to buy an automatic, then complain that it's not a good manual I'll take a moment to complain about it though

I'm a manual fanatic, simply for the engagement and enjoyment of rowing gears, manually rev-matching, and skip-shifting. I can't stand the ZF8. It's a great automatic, but it's still an automatic. The killer for me is the increased delay between gear selection and engagement. I owned a DSG GTI, which was much, much better, and I've test driven a DCT 135i on several occasions (also much better). The predictability of the shifts with a dual-clutch gearbox is light years ahead of the ZF8, even in sport trim.

Some people are more tolerant of this delay, but I can't stand it. For me, shifting gears is like having a conversation with the car. Ever try to have a conversation with someone over a phone with a bad delay? You end up talking over each other and getting really frustrated. That's how I feel when I drive a ZF8 auto with the paddles.

I've always been confused by the availability of DCT in the 135i, but on the 3-series side, you have to bump up to a 335is. I wonder how BMW will handle this with the 4-series. I'm kind of assuming they'll introduce an M435i with DCT. The 2-series lack of a vanilla 235i in the states gives me hope that they'll continue to offer DCT in the M235i model, although there's a lot of suggestion that it will follow in the footsteps of the M135i with the ZF8 (barf).
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Do they provide more lumens than HID?

I.e. more light output?
i've driven several 7's, M6's with these options... they're not as bright as the HID's, even when the high beams are on. only thing is that they look "cooler" and would most probably last longer than HID's.

i'd still prefer the HID's over the LED's. i would say, let's wait for bmw's application of laser in future models. i really think that would be better since lasers emits light more uniformly than LED's or HID's can.
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on the 3 series you can get a manual with the xdrive 335. so this may be a typo or a launch order restriction to make sure they have enough manuals available for RWD builds. Not sure but i feel like it is unlikely they would offer it on the 428 xdrive and not the 335. that would be a reverse of the logic with the 3 series
i pretty much think this would be the case... when i saw this, i felt this couldn't be since more coupe buyers are typically more interested in manuals than sedan buyers. and this is basically a dealer demo order form.

if the 335i xDrive can be had with a stick, so should the 435i xDrive.
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