TMC US-Car in Germany

Montaxx · 11-02-2016, 12:24 PM

Hey,

I've got a US F30 imported to Germany.
But I can't receive TMC or RTTI here.
I've compared the TMC-Codings with a german car but it didn't help. I seem to miss something there.

Could anyone provide me with informations about ALL the codings that need to be done including changing the FM/AM Button to switch Traffic Info on and off?

Kabrich · 11-02-2016, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Montaxx

Hey,

I've got a US F30 imported to Germany.
But I can't receive TMC or RTTI here.
I've compared the TMC-Codings with a german car but it didn't help. I seem to miss something there.

Could anyone provide me with informations about ALL the codings that need to be done including changing the FM/AM Button to switch Traffic Info on and off?

On the US versions, traffic info is transmitted via digital data from the FM Radio Stations IBOC (HDRADIO) which is not the standard in Europe. As. Thus, there is no traffic info for you to receive on a US Version in Europe.

Montaxx · 11-02-2016, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kabrich

On the US versions, traffic info is transmitted via digital data from the FM Radio Stations IBOC (HDRADIO) which is not the standard in Europe. As. Thus, there is no traffic info for you to receive on a US Version in Europe.

This may be true, but the car HAD working TMC here.
After some coding it was gone.
There are some codings metioned from 0.2Mhz to 0.1MhZ for Germany. Anyone know where to code this?

Kabrich · 11-02-2016, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Montaxx

This may be true, but the car HAD working TMC here.
After some coding it was gone.
There are some codings metioned from 0.2Mhz to 0.1MhZ for Germany. Anyone know where to code this?

As you mention 0.2Mhz to 0.1Mhz range, are you talking about traffic info shown on NAV Map in car or RDDS on AM/FM Radio which can show simple messages (often title/artist in USA).

Montaxx · 11-02-2016, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Kabrich

As you mention 0.2Mhz to 0.1Mhz range, are you talking about traffic info shown on NAV Map in car or RDDS on AM/FM Radio which can show simple messages (often title/artist in USA).

I'm talking about Traffic Info

Kabrich · 11-02-2016, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Montaxx

I'm talking about Traffic Info

Sorry, I am trying to assist you, but you are not answering the question to a USA Car owner.

Are you talking Traffic Information that shows up on a MAP.....or are you asking about info that might just flash or scroll across screen?

Posting "I'm talking about Traffic Info" could be either of the 2....or neither.

Montaxx · 11-02-2016, 04:25 PM

I am talking about the Traffic Info like...This and that highway is closed, there is a car accident and so on.
like here: https://data.motor-talk.de/data/gall...-w470-h626.jpg

Kabrich · 11-02-2016, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Montaxx

I am talking about the Traffic Info like...This and that highway is closed, there is a car accident and so on.
like here: https://data.motor-talk.de/data/gall...-w470-h626.jpg

Ok. That is delivered via HD Radio in USA as I said before.

Sorry, cannot assist you on how it is delivered in Europe but find it strange that BMW places EU traffic reception capabilities in USA Cars.

You will certainly need someone with specific EU knowledge to help you out.

Good luck.

Kabrich · 11-03-2016, 06:55 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_message_channel

Has Traffic Delivery Methods for different countries

In USA, it is HD Radio

http://hdradio.com/sites/default/fil...m_brochure.pdf

Montaxx · 11-04-2016, 04:30 AM

I found some Informations about it.
In Germany the Traffic Info is privided in 0.1MHz Steps.
This should be coded to change the HU_CIC to ECE (taken from German F30):

RADIO_COUNTRY = ECE
FM_DEEMPHASIS = 50us
ANZEIGE_FREQ = nicht_aktiv

Will test it out and post results.

Dang3r · 11-04-2016, 11:38 AM

Correct, exactly what I would post to you for the settings, had worked fine for my reimported 4xx too.
If you encounter any problems, try additonally to switch your country of origin to Australia, sometimes it helps.

Montaxx · 11-05-2016, 02:14 PM

Could you explain what exactly you changed?

UnReaLgmu · 11-06-2016, 03:59 PM

Change TI_TMC to aktiv from nicht_aktiv under the NBT Module to enable traffic over FM. Works on my US spec 340 in Germany.

[IMG]http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/a...psiwnaak1b.jpg[/IMG]

Montaxx · 11-07-2016, 08:06 AM

It's HU_CIC.
Could you provide me all values of the ECU pls?

Dang3r · 11-07-2016, 02:24 PM

You wouldnt be able to adress the "MODE" switch to other functions as change the music source, same thing at the steering wheel.
The AM/FM also fix, no way to recode an US radio...but we have satelite receivings, unfortunately not into Germany

A word to the not functional TMC: At German BMW's the regarding button is active but the radio chooses at least the best traffic channel. Thats absolutely weird, dont know another manufacturer who override my settings.
Aside from that: My traffic messages appears the same way, but not automatic, just when Im driving that way with NAV active or passive.

Montaxx · 11-08-2016, 09:05 AM

Curious.

Could you also provide a dump of your HU_CIC?
That way I could compare the settings.

The Buttons reassigned after changing "COUNTRY" to "deutschland".
"RADIO_COUNTRY" is set to "ece" - But we set it to "australien" too to test your suggestion.
We tested "COUNTRY" to "australien" too, but it also didn't work.

TP is there and works. TMC is shown when navigating, but if you go to TMC Menu, there's a message after a long search like "Currently no Traffic Information available".

Dang3r · 11-08-2016, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Montaxx

TP is there and works. TMC is shown when navigating, but if you go to TMC Menu, there's a message after a long search like "Currently no Traffic Information available".

Yes, you would see the TMC-Logo, but you wouldnt receive any traffic reports, caused by the non-functionality of the US radio version. Dont ask me about the detail differents between the models, but that wont work and also the key-assignment wouldt do anything.
If the test with the locator setting to "Australien" wont work, please try the suggestion from yourself with the ECE, 50us and nicht_aktiv.
I'll try a dump, but this wont be happen before thursday.
Before I forget to mention it: You wont also be able to receive RTTi caused by the US combox, which inserted SIM-card only be able to receive the US radio waves and not the European standard. A change isnt recommended, because you have lots of failure opportunities after installation and recoding.

keltis99 · 11-13-2016, 11:01 AM

I drive a US import F32 in Europe (Belgium) for quite some time.
the car was coded when i bought it (not by me) and I do receive TMC traffic info via FM band. I have EU maps as well, radio works fine etc. so dont believe theories...what you can not get is RTTI which is broadcasted via a TCB in the trunk (which is deactivated for roaming by bmw). all connected drive functions will also not work on US car in europe unless TCB is changed/coded and registered at bmw servers. Its expensive and hardly worth it (as mentioned above).

sorry i can not tell you what/how the coding was done but rest assured its possible!

Insomniaroy · 06-06-2019, 04:39 PM

Hi,
I've been fiddling with this for a while and finally got TMC working in Europe (Netherlands).
I have CIC but posting this anyway in hope this works the same for the later F-series.

RADIO_COUNTRY us -> ece
COUNTRY us -> ece
FM_DEEMPHASIS wert_02 -> wert_01
AF_FUNKTION af_aus -> af_ein
CHECKBOX_TP nicht_aktiv -> aktiv
FM_BAND_LW_0C nicht_aktiv -> aktiv
FM_BAND_KW nicht_aktiv -> aktiv
TI_CAT_DEFAULT_FLOW nicht_aktiv -> aktiv
TI_TMC nicht_aktiv -> aktiv
TI_CA_TMC nicht_aktiv
TI_TMC_REGIONAL aktiv -> nicht_aktiv
TI_FALLBACK_DISABLED aktiv -> nicht_aktiv
DEFAULT_WEG_EINHEIT mls -> km
DEFAULT_DRUCK_EINHEIT psi -> bar
DEFAULT_TEMPERATUR fahrenheit -> celcius
NAVI_VARIANTE us -> ece

This last one NAVI_VARIANTE made it work !

Hope it helps...

rtzx5 · 07-29-2019, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Insomniaroy

Hi,
I've been fiddling with this for a while and finally got TMC working in Europe (Netherlands).
I have CIC but posting this anyway in hope this works the same for the later F-series.

RADIO_COUNTRY us -> ece
COUNTRY us -> ece
FM_DEEMPHASIS wert_02 -> wert_01
AF_FUNKTION af_aus -> af_ein
CHECKBOX_TP nicht_aktiv -> aktiv
FM_BAND_LW_0C nicht_aktiv -> aktiv
FM_BAND_KW nicht_aktiv -> aktiv
TI_CAT_DEFAULT_FLOW nicht_aktiv -> aktiv
TI_TMC nicht_aktiv -> aktiv
TI_CA_TMC nicht_aktiv
TI_TMC_REGIONAL aktiv -> nicht_aktiv
TI_FALLBACK_DISABLED aktiv -> nicht_aktiv
DEFAULT_WEG_EINHEIT mls -> km
DEFAULT_DRUCK_EINHEIT psi -> bar
DEFAULT_TEMPERATUR fahrenheit -> celcius
NAVI_VARIANTE us -> ece

This last one NAVI_VARIANTE made it work !

Hope it helps...

Thank you so very much for posting this!!!

I have been fighting with my E70 for quite sometime and your setup sorted out my traffic feeds!

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Montaxx Private First Class 38 Rep 105 Posts Drives: F30 328i Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Germany iTrader: (0)	I am talking about the Traffic Info like...This and that highway is closed, there is a car accident and so on. like here: https://data.motor-talk.de/data/gall...-w470-h626.jpg
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Kabrich Banned 354 Rep 1,986 Posts Drives: '13 AH3 (335IH) 3F93 MSport Join Date: May 2013 Location: Florida iTrader: (6)	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_message_channel Has Traffic Delivery Methods for different countries In USA, it is HD Radio http://hdradio.com/sites/default/fil...m_brochure.pdf
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Montaxx Private First Class 38 Rep 105 Posts Drives: F30 328i Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Germany iTrader: (0)	I found some Informations about it. In Germany the Traffic Info is privided in 0.1MHz Steps. This should be coded to change the HU_CIC to ECE (taken from German F30): RADIO_COUNTRY = ECE FM_DEEMPHASIS = 50us ANZEIGE_FREQ = nicht_aktiv Will test it out and post results.
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Dang3r Schmollbraten 12509 Rep 1,985 Posts Drives: M4CPC // HP4 Comp. Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Liandri Central Core iTrader: (0)	Correct, exactly what I would post to you for the settings, had worked fine for my reimported 4xx too. If you encounter any problems, try additonally to switch your country of origin to Australia, sometimes it helps. __________________ Citizen of ///M - Town, where too much is just right Some say, that my scrotum has its own small gravity field and when Im slowing down that brake lights come on at my buttox
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UnReaLgmu New Member 3 Rep 16 Posts Drives: '16 i3 Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Maryland iTrader: (0)	Change TI_TMC to aktiv from nicht_aktiv under the NBT Module to enable traffic over FM. Works on my US spec 340 in Germany. [IMG]http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/a...psiwnaak1b.jpg[/IMG]
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11-07-2016, 08:06 AM	#14
Montaxx Private First Class 38 Rep 105 Posts Drives: F30 328i Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Germany iTrader: (0)	It's HU_CIC. Could you provide me all values of the ECU pls?
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Dang3r Schmollbraten 12509 Rep 1,985 Posts Drives: M4CPC // HP4 Comp. Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Liandri Central Core iTrader: (0)	You wouldnt be able to adress the "MODE" switch to other functions as change the music source, same thing at the steering wheel. The AM/FM also fix, no way to recode an US radio...but we have satelite receivings, unfortunately not into Germany A word to the not functional TMC: At German BMW's the regarding button is active but the radio chooses at least the best traffic channel. Thats absolutely weird, dont know another manufacturer who override my settings. Aside from that: My traffic messages appears the same way, but not automatic, just when Im driving that way with NAV active or passive. __________________ Citizen of ///M - Town, where too much is just right Some say, that my scrotum has its own small gravity field and when Im slowing down that brake lights come on at my buttox
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Montaxx Private First Class 38 Rep 105 Posts Drives: F30 328i Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Germany iTrader: (0)	Curious. Could you also provide a dump of your HU_CIC? That way I could compare the settings. The Buttons reassigned after changing "COUNTRY" to "deutschland". "RADIO_COUNTRY" is set to "ece" - But we set it to "australien" too to test your suggestion. We tested "COUNTRY" to "australien" too, but it also didn't work. TP is there and works. TMC is shown when navigating, but if you go to TMC Menu, there's a message after a long search like "Currently no Traffic Information available".
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keltis99 Private 25 Rep 75 Posts Drives: 2014 428i Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Brussels iTrader: (0)	I drive a US import F32 in Europe (Belgium) for quite some time. the car was coded when i bought it (not by me) and I do receive TMC traffic info via FM band. I have EU maps as well, radio works fine etc. so dont believe theories...what you can not get is RTTI which is broadcasted via a TCB in the trunk (which is deactivated for roaming by bmw). all connected drive functions will also not work on US car in europe unless TCB is changed/coded and registered at bmw servers. Its expensive and hardly worth it (as mentioned above). sorry i can not tell you what/how the coding was done but rest assured its possible! __________________ bmw 428i (us->eu)
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Insomniaroy New Member 26 Rep 22 Posts Drives: 2010 E92 M3 DCT Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: NL iTrader: (0)	Got TMC working on my US E92 (CIC) Hi, I've been fiddling with this for a while and finally got TMC working in Europe (Netherlands). I have CIC but posting this anyway in hope this works the same for the later F-series. RADIO_COUNTRY us -> ece COUNTRY us -> ece FM_DEEMPHASIS wert_02 -> wert_01 AF_FUNKTION af_aus -> af_ein CHECKBOX_TP nicht_aktiv -> aktiv FM_BAND_LW_0C nicht_aktiv -> aktiv FM_BAND_KW nicht_aktiv -> aktiv TI_CAT_DEFAULT_FLOW nicht_aktiv -> aktiv TI_TMC nicht_aktiv -> aktiv TI_CA_TMC nicht_aktiv TI_TMC_REGIONAL aktiv -> nicht_aktiv TI_FALLBACK_DISABLED aktiv -> nicht_aktiv DEFAULT_WEG_EINHEIT mls -> km DEFAULT_DRUCK_EINHEIT psi -> bar DEFAULT_TEMPERATUR fahrenheit -> celcius NAVI_VARIANTE us -> ece This last one NAVI_VARIANTE made it work ! Hope it helps...
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