[AweSam8]

So we both got off work and he wanted to see how much faster my car was to his. I said, "okay", since I finally broke-in my car. The first run we were already rolling and he insisted that I do this in Eco-pro mode. He seemed to have a head start (hit the gas before me) and was in front of me by inches, and I began to catch up to him at around 60 mph. Then we had to slow down. He still led the run though. In this run, I still wasn't used to shifting beyond 4k rpm, so this was my fault for the loss. We both started in 2nd gear. On the second race, we started in 3rd gear (from a roll), and again he had head start advantage. Again, I was catching up to him at around 60 mph. This time I was in sport+ mode and letting it rev all the way to 6k. I think he still had the advantage as we were parallel at 80 mph. It was raining, and we both had winter tires on. We're also both 6MT. I'm happy with my 335i, but I thought it would be much faster than this. I surely thought I would beat his GTI regardless of a head start. Just thought I'd share my first racing experience.

[Jamesons Viggen]

Racing in ECO PRO or any mode has no affect if you have the pedal to the metal, dyno proven the engine makes the same power in all modes. It only adds sensitivity to throttle, meaning less than floored.

Also, do you know if his GTI is 100% stock? My APR stage 2+ put down about the same power as a stock 335 in a lighter car and looked stock.

Lastly, rolling start to 60 is too short of a race for a higher powered car to spread its wings, so if he has the jump, not much is going to happen to reel him in if its such a short race. Also, revving to 6k is short shifting-he likely wasn't and sounds like the better driver. Also, with you on winter tires and in the wet, your cars traction control was likely cutting power.

[jdong]

Congrats on your first felony? Might want to find a track for the next time

The GTI is a smaller car. Not to mention the physics of giving someone a head start puts you at a severe disadvantage. It doesn't matter how much more powerful your car is (which by the way, it's not THAT much more powerful than a GTI), it takes a huge power differential to make up for even a second or two of lost time.

[AweSam8]

Yeah, he definitely is stock. He was also on winter tires too. And I was too afraid to rev beyond 6k freshly broken in.

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by AweSam8

Yeah, he definitely is stock. He was also on winter tires too. And I was too afraid to rev beyond 6k freshly broken in.

The higher the power, the more traction is an issue, so again, I think he had plenty of advantages.

Stop being a wuss, if it's broken in-it's broken in. The minute mine hit 1200 miles it had 15 pulls on the dyno hitting fuel cut

[AweSam8]

Hahaha. I'm a sad little kitty. Okay, I'll try to man up next time.

[TonyS]

Originally Posted by AweSam8

Yeah, he definitely is stock. He was also on winter tires too. And I was too afraid to rev beyond 6k freshly broken in.

Why are you even thinking of revving beyond 6k? You are beyond max power (5800rpm) and way beyond max torque (5000rpm). You're only going to go slower than if you change up a gear. Learn how to drive the car, then go racing on a track.

Racing on public roads, especially in the rain, and in traffic (last bit assumed, but you said you had to slow down at 60mph) is not the brightest of ideas.

[Dinh335]

Did you floor your car? I know that when i first got it the power was way more than i was used to so I drove it pretty soft compared to now.

Its a whole new beast when you really push it.

That being said, don't race on the streets man. And the GTI is a great fast lightweight car so not really surprised at your findings based on your explanation.

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by TonyS

Why are you even thinking of revving beyond 6k? You are beyond max power (5800rpm) and way beyond max torque (5000rpm). You're only going to go slower than if you change up a gear. Learn how to drive the car, then go racing on a track.

Racing on public roads, especially in the rain, and in traffic (last bit assumed, but you said you had to slow down at 60mph) is not the brightest of ideas.

When racing, you often shift past the indicated peak power you would see on the dyno to put you in the meat of your power band in the next gear. Also, in such a short race, the N55 and N20 hit 60mph in 2nd gear, so shifting at redline is faster than grabbing 3rd(unless this of course was going PAST 60mph)

[drob23]

Originally Posted by TonyS

Why are you even thinking of revving beyond 6k? You are beyond max power (5800rpm) and way beyond max torque (5000rpm). You're only going to go slower than if you change up a gear. Learn how to drive the car, then go racing on a track.

Racing on public roads, especially in the rain, and in traffic (last bit assumed, but you said you had to slow down at 60mph) is not the brightest of ideas.

In the lower gears (he's doing < 60), it's more or less always better to shift at redline, since the gear ratio advantage will more than make up for being outside the powerband.

Maybe a diesel is the exception or an engine with *significant* torque drop off as a function of RPM.

[drob23]

Originally Posted by AweSam8

So we both got off work and he wanted to see how much faster my car was to his. I said, "okay", since I finally broke-in my car. The first run we were already rolling and he insisted that I do this in Eco-pro mode. He seemed to have a head start (hit the gas before me) and was in front of me by inches, and I began to catch up to him at around 60 mph. Then we had to slow down. He still led the run though. In this run, I still wasn't used to shifting beyond 4k rpm, so this was my fault for the loss. We both started in 2nd gear. On the second race, we started in 3rd gear (from a roll), and again he had head start advantage. Again, I was catching up to him at around 60 mph. This time I was in sport+ mode and letting it rev all the way to 6k. I think he still had the advantage as we were parallel at 80 mph. It was raining, and we both had winter tires on. We're also both 6MT. I'm happy with my 335i, but I thought it would be much faster than this. I surely thought I would beat his GTI regardless of a head start. Just thought I'd share my first racing experience.

You never had your car... Granny shiftin' not double clutchin' like you should. You're lucky that hundred shot of NOS didn't blow the welds on the intake!

[AweSam8]

Originally Posted by drob23

You never had your car... Granny shiftin' not double clutchin' like you should. You're lucky that hundred shot of NOS didn't blow the welds on the intake!

amen brother... amen.

[Nick the Greek]

Surely some mistake?

My 328i has no difficulties in wasting my buddies Mk6 GTI (stock), at whatever speed you care to mention.

[nicknaz]

Sounds like you were in the wrong gear at both times.

First run you shifted up too early and second run you were in 3rd gear below 60mph

And you let him hit the gas first both times.

As others have said, in a short race those two delays make a big difference in outcomes.

Take it to a 1/4 mile track for definitive proof...

Or if you insist on street racing go from a stop light leading to a highway, or if you want to do a roll race, agreed on the starting speed, let each person pick gearing and go to a higher speed

[Xplosiv166]

You must be doing something wrong:

Volkswagen Golf GTI 2.0 TSI GTI (Performance Pack) 3d DSG:

0-60: 6.2 Seconds
Power: 226bhp
Torque: 350Nm (258 lb-ft)

BMW 3-Series Saloon 335i M Sport

0-60: 5.3 Seconds
Power: 301bhp
Torque: 400Nm (295lb-ft)

Even my 330D would waste that:

0-60: 5.4 Seconds (with PPK)
Power: 288bhp (with PPK)
Torque: 600Nm (with PPK)

[Jamesons Viggen]

Your GTI specs are for the MK7 which we don't have yet.

Originally Posted by Xplosiv166

You must be doing something wrong:

Volkswagen Golf GTI 2.0 TSI GTI (Performance Pack) 3d DSG:

0-60: 6.2 Seconds
Power: 226bhp
Torque: 350Nm (258 lb-ft)

BMW 3-Series Saloon 335i M Sport

0-60: 5.3 Seconds
Power: 301bhp
Torque: 400Nm (295lb-ft)

Even my 330D would waste that:

0-60: 5.4 Seconds (with PPK)
Power: 288bhp (with PPK)
Torque: 600Nm (with PPK)

[Xplosiv166]

What are the Specs?

[Orion4]

Hmmmm! Street racing- in the rain- on winter tires, Nothing wrong with that scenario that I can see

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by Xplosiv166

What are the Specs?

This would have been a MK6, a nut heavier and less power than the Mk7. I think 210hp and maybe 220tq off the top of my head, so a few tenths slower to 60.

[Nick the Greek]

The mk 6 GTI ran just 207bhp. Autocar measured 0-60 mph in 6.7 seconds and 0-100 mph in 16.7.
The 335i should waste it without breaking a sweat.

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by Nick the Greek

The mk 6 GTI ran just 207bhp. Autocar measured 0-60 mph in 6.7 seconds and 0-100 mph in 16.7.
The 335i should waste it without breaking a sweat.

The 335i was not driven to it's potential. Magazine specs can mean very little when it comes to a street race when often slower cars win that shouldn't.

/end thread

[snowghost]

Originally Posted by TonyS

Why are you even thinking of revving beyond 6k? You are beyond max power (5800rpm) and way beyond max torque (5000rpm). You're only going to go slower than if you change up a gear. Learn how to drive the car, then go racing on a track.

Racing on public roads, especially in the rain, and in traffic (last bit assumed, but you said you had to slow down at 60mph) is not the brightest of ideas.

Yeah in the rain????