04-30-2019, 03:31 PM | #1 |
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Steering knocking / creaking - SOLVED
I recently posted about my steering which knocks with the engine off when you rock the wheel back and forth and also creaks with engine on when maneuvering.
https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...light=steering I had done some research and found that BMW released a kit in late 2018 to solve this issue. I also read that some people reported eliminating the noise by tightening the thrust plate nut, so I decided to give it a go. I tried to move the plate with a pin spanner, but it needs to much torque so I ended up buying a special tool that only 1 company in Poland seem to make coded MS00084 so its 50EUR. You can access the plate by putting the car on ramps and taking the front under-shield off. I tried tightening it by 1/8 of a turn (45deg) as others had said. It certainly got rid of the knocking but stopped the wheel from returning naturally to the centre position when driving. So I backed it off halfway, so 16th turn from the original position and its perfect. Steering returning to centre, no knocking when engine off and no creaking when maneuvering. It would seem that the plastic piece you can see in the video about the kit, wears over time. The small turn on the thrust plate compensates for the wear. I dont need to tool anymore so who wants it for £40 ? Last edited by DriveS; 04-30-2019 at 04:00 PM.. |
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05-01-2019, 06:46 AM | #5 |
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After a bit of driving... What I notice is that the steering now has no tendancy to tramline like before. When I hold the wheel very lightly in the centre position whilst going down some uneven roads that I am familiar with, the wheel is now holding the centre position. Before it was being pulled slightly left and right and could pull into the side of the road if not corrected.
I am guessing this is because the backlash in the steering joint (caused by wear) has been eliminated by tightening the thrust plate. |
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05-01-2019, 08:20 AM | #6 |
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Thanks for sharing. I know that Im headed down this path as well and will eventually require the same procedure on my car...
How many miles were you at when you decided it was time to fix the issue? Im on the fence about doing what you did or dropping car off at BMW and having them complete the service. Anyone had this done at dealer? What was the cost? |
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Car has done 44K miles. At about 40K I noticed the ticking noise when manoeuvring. Whilst researching I saw the video I linked into my opening post. I tried wobbling the wheel with engine off and noticed the knocking, so thought the two noises were related and decided to tighten the nut based on what others had said. There is one post where a BMW independent specialist garage tightened the nut to solve the issue. I think BMW would fit the kit, which is relatively low cost, but would get you on the labour.. |
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This is the one I used. You can get a spanner on the hex. Took quite a bit of torque to turn it too. The proper tool and be used and sold on many times. Not sure about the makeshift one. |
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Hey FarmerD, if you bought this and it worked for you, would you be willing to ship it to the USA for me to tighten my rack and pay it forward to some others who may need it as well? I contacted the company who makes it and they wanted $65 USD, so trying to save some cash if possible. Thanks! |
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07-06-2019, 09:25 AM | #13 |
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Ha! This made me check mine!
I have that steering knock with engine off. But otherwise all seems OK. F30 330d LCI Would this be covered under extended warranty? Should I even worry about it? Or if left am I in for more trouble later? |
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07-06-2019, 09:48 AM | #14 | |
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If under warranty then you may as well take it in just in case it progresses to knocking whist driving later on when the warranty ends. |
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07-09-2019, 01:31 AM | #17 |
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My 2014 F31 30d has a knock when the engine is off. I spoke with the 'Master Technician' at Soper Lincoln, and he said the knock was normal and that remedying the noise with either a replacement rack or fitment of the improved thrust washer thing wouldn't be covered under the AUC. I regret not pushing the issue as now my AUC has expired and the knock is still there (obviously)
One thing to consider when tightening the washer is that each rack will be worn differently so therefore any given adjustment that fixes one rack, won't necessarily fix another. |
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07-10-2019, 11:56 AM | #19 |
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tightening that thrust nut will result in rack failure later on, no matter small the tightment adjustment is.. I've seen 5+ racks go bad bc of this adjustment.
the issue with these steering racks comes from the thrust piece that controls or monitors the distance between the rack and the pinion. The piece would wear and allow for too much play between the rack and pinion and that's the clunk sound we hear. the Thyssenkrupp (manufacturer) has released a repair thrust piece [BMW part# 32106891974] here's a description written on the online catalog about this repair piece: This repair kit is only a solution for vehicles with acoustic irregularities in the steering gear! It is mandatory to observe the repair instructions! The repair kit is only logical for Thyssen steering systems (High and Sport). but our problems aren't done just yet. the repair work is no easy feat. here is a link for the repair instructions https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/f...nit/1Vnc3X9PQZ and the most important part of that repair is BMW special measuring tool 83302458076 and the only place I could find it was ECS and they have it on backorder. Even thou I have most tools and do about 90% of the work on my cars, I decided that the best thing is to bring this information to my nearest BMW service center and save enough money to cover the repair. im probably gonna ask BMW for goodwill, because it's an issue that they're well aware of, and that was never really fixed for the F30 chassis... I know a couple of people with 2018 340i that are starting to show symptoms. I hope this info helps someone, and hopefully someone on here has the balls (and money) to do this on their own. |
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[QUOTE=PeaceWalker87;25011492]tightening that thrust nut will result in rack failure later on, no matter small the tightment adjustment is.. I've seen 5+ racks go bad bc of this adjustment.
Hi, Can you quantify why you think adjusting the thrust nut would cause the failure, especially given the thousands of racks that have failed many of which would not have had any adjustment to the thrust plate. And also the very reason that the thrust has been adjusted is because of an issue that could be the start of it failing before the nut was touched. Steering rack is failing - try adjusting nut - steering rack fails - must have been the nut adjustment Not saying you are definitely wrong, just after more evidence please |
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I dont think the knock signifies a rack failure looming. As far as I know its just an annoyance that most people wont even notice. |
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the problem is not that the rack develops play or the knock sound because the gears are worn, it's because the original thrust piece wears and allows for more wiggle when it shouldn't, that's why the repair is specifically for the thrust (and spring) and not for the complete unit. BMW just rather put another rack in the car if its under warranty and all they're doing is having the manufacturer perform the thrust piece repair and send it back to BMW for replacement to another car.
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