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      04-08-2020, 11:20 PM   #1541
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No word on a manual?

I like how they give the Yaris GR a manual, but not the supra
Kind of hard for Toyota to put a manual in the car when the entire drive train is from BMW. It would be up to BMW to decide if/when a manual goes in. I'm sure Toyota would have some input into this decision.

Otherwise, if someone really wants a manual, you can get one but you'll have to go aftermarket via EAG. I've posted a bunch of their build videos where they installed a BMW manual trans out of a 5 series diesel into a Supra. They are now doing the conversions for anyone willing to pay for it.
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      04-09-2020, 12:11 AM   #1542
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      04-09-2020, 12:50 AM   #1543
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No word on a manual?

I like how they give the Yaris GR a manual, but not the supra
It's probably BMW's call or fault. I would guess you will only see a Supra with 6MT if the Z4 M40i got one.

Edit - zx10guy beat me to it
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      04-09-2020, 01:29 PM   #1544
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The 2020 Toyota Supra Has Noticeably Better Bite With A Tune From Litchfield

https://jalopnik.com/the-2020-toyota...h-a-1840457071

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We all knew tuners would be coming for the A90 Toyota Supra. Litchfield was one of the first to have a go cranking more grunt out of the car’s BMW-sourced powertrain, and its first car took the stock output from 335 to over 400. And there’s more to come once its ECU has been properly mapped.

(Full Disclosure: When I found out Litchfield was planning to fettle the Supra I asked if I could have a whirl toward the end of 2019. I was told “yes” so went to drive it. The lovely images you see before you were provided by Litchfield.)

Litchfield has been tuning cars for years and is most famous for its work with the Nissan GT-R. Ask Litchfield nicely and you’ll get yourself 1,000 HP and a big, silly grin on your face. Still, when the new Supra came out, the team was quick to act. Being first past the post counts for a lot these days.



What Is It?
This was one of the first tuned new-gen Supras in the world. Originally mooted in mid-2019, the Litchfield Supra package was set to come with at least 440 HP and 450 lb-ft of torque, as well as a host of upgraded parts to ensure it’ll kick as much ass as possible.

The car available for testing here was an early production car sourced by Litchfield and given a power bump to “at least” 490 HP with just a Stage One tune and a modified exhaust. The car itself wasn’t with Litchfield any more though, rather with ECU cracking specialists EcuTek, who bought the car in order to do what it does best: Break into the ECU and create engine map software for tuners all over the world to play with.

EcuTek’s specialty is also GT-Rs, but the new Supra proved an interesting opportunity for the firm. Once EcuTek has finished its work, the possibilities with the A90 Supra will broaden in a big way as firms like Litchfield (and others) will be able to push it to its very limits. And, probably, beyond.

Other than its Litchfield power bump, it’s a standard car. No trick springs or dampers, no bigger turbo or jazzy cooling systems. It’s a 3.0-liter turbocharged straight-six with some extra grunt, gently dipping its toe into a rapidly deepening pond.



Specs That Matter
As an early salvo to the world of A90 Supra tuning, it’s not a bad start. Its 3.0-liter motor has been tuned from 335 HP and 365 lb-ft of torque to 490 HP and 472 lb-ft, while its 0-62 mph (100 kph) time is claimed to be comfortably below the stock 4.3 seconds and its top speed is yet to be tested.

For the setup driven here, you’d only need to sling Litchfield $800 for the tune and $468 [accurate at time of writing] for the pipes. Seems damn reasonable if the performance gain claims are to be believed!

What’s Great
It’s useable. The standard powertrain is pretty easy to live with. Smooth and quick when you need it to be. Give it a dollop of extra power and it retains its smoothness. So much so that pretty much anyone could drive it around town without any problems at all.



More power means more noise. The start-up burble is pleasing, the cracks, pops, and bangs in sport mode are hilarious fun. Keep it standard you’ll get a hint at its anti-socialness, but in Sport mode, it’s frankly rude. The best kind of rude at that.

What’s Weak
Standard mechanicals means the car can get a little ahead of itself. In a typically damp UK, pressing on with a sense of urgency, in lower gears the rear tires would try and step out of line. While that would be utterly hilarious on track, on the road you remain grateful for the traction control stepping in and doing its thing.

Much like anything with big power you need to respect the Supra’s limits, but without the rest of the “make go fast” bits that Litchfield offers you may find yourself overwhelmed.

Casual Driving
After an initial burble on startup, the Supra calms itself down and is a most pleasant thing to drive. Thanks to its ludicrous quantities of torque you can leave its eight-speed ’box in auto mode and it’ll waft you along quickly and quietly.



Seeing as the mechanicals and dimensions are the same as the standard car, you can see well enough out of it (though its rear window is teeny tiny), its massive wing mirrors are certainly up to the job of showing you what’s behind you, and its trunk is big enough for 99 percent of the stuff the owner of a two-seater would possibly need.

All the things you know and love from BMWs are present and correct: iDrive, intuitive controls, the works. Here is not the time or place to have the “it’s not a Toyota/yes it is” argument, but the BMW bits sure do what they’re supposed to.

OK, you need to watch its huge wheels on high curbs, and maybe take a bit more care of its long nose than you would a regular car... but despite its huge power it’s a good way to travel. Long story short, it’s good at being “a car.”



Aggressive Driving
Your first task after leaving civilization in Litchfield’s latest is to press the Sport button, find a straight bit of road and play with the throttle. Keep it in second and give it half pedal. Slow down and then give it three quarters. Then try it at full chat. Those last two will trouble the traction control something rotten, especially if it’s a bit soggy out.

See, that Sport button sets the car up to be a little angrier. Its gearbox shifts with a sporty jolt, the power’s throw out of the rear with extra gusto. You know the Supra’s a quick car from the off, but this amount of power is something else. There’s nearly as much grunt in there as a 911 GT3. Which is a silly amount of power anyway, but throw turbo torque in there and it’s breathtakingly quick. If it doesn’t help you create a few new swear words... well, we’d all be a bit surprised.

Sport is a truly joyous place to be. The eight-speed ZF ’box becomes an addictive thing to play with. Quick flicks up and down become the order of the day because they coax out the noise. On the day to day it’s a fairly quiet thing, ok it lets out more burbles than your average shopping car, but it’s not in your face. When you’re on it, it gets all up in there. Bassy, raspy, angry, brilliant. And you get pops and bangs and all the good stuff on overrun, which just adds to its charm.



In the state available, the Litchfield Supra comes with only the power upgrade - not the upcoming strut brace, bespoke springs, or tweaked caster bush it can come with. This means that the power seems as though it could quite comfortably overwhelm it in the wrong hands. With all of the potential set up on board, this thing will be a weapon and a half. That said, if you’ve got the right hands it’s still a blast on the road. On track, in its current state, well... that would mean lots and lots of drifting. Excellent.

Value
At $800 to get this kind of power boost, the price seems great. Now, once EcuTek has freed up the ECU and shown the world’s tuners how to get the best out of it, there’ll be more options to play with. However, Litchfield has years of high profile, high-performance pedigree behind them.



Verdict
The potential of the A90 Supra is yet to be fully tapped. Litchfield has made a hell of a good start with its opening gambit to the game. 490 HP is not to be sniffed at, and driven sensibly it’s delivered smoothly. From the off, this can be your sole car if you want it to be. And once you’re done driving sensibly around town you can play with some big league stuff without having to invest anywhere near as much cash. Of course, once newer tunes are available, Litchfield (and others) will be able to play with your motor to your heart’s content. The days of the 1000 HP Supra may well be upon us again, only this time with a Bavarian heart.

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It'll make your stock Supra much, much quicker than your neighbor's

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If there's been rain any time in the past day or so lots of its horses will try to break free

TL;DR
One of the first tuned Supras out there is pretty good. For not much cash you can make your A90 silly powerful but not ruin it.

POWER
490 HP • 472 LB-FT

WEIGHT
3,351 LBS

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Starting $49,900 • $51,168 (with Litchfield bits)
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I love the Supra from the back and the side, just don't really like the front. Looks like a decent tune from Litchfield, but those badges...
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I can't watch this dude. He looks and talks like a car salesman, the slimy type.
I know what you mean, but I've grown to appreciate his channel. I think he delivers a good mix of detail and opinion, without it being too exhaustive to watch casually. Alex on Autos is a good example of too detailed for casual viewing. While I think Alex does a really great job, if I'm not interested in digging into what he's reviewing, I pass on Alex's review.
Overall making these videos is more difficult than it looks.
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It’s a nice little car that is woefully overpriced for what you get. Had the opportunity to test drive one in San Antonio early in January, the car salesmen practically kissed my shoes when I told them I was looking at one of them. They had 3 on the lot, including one of the launch editions that was marked at just under 60k. The one I test drove was navy blue and msrped at 56k but “they were willing to work with me” because they needed to move inventory for the new upcoming model. I drove it & wasn’t particularly impressed . The cabin felt small and cramped. The pillars made it hard to see from the corners and I’m only 5’7 and felt that anyone over 6’2 was going to have a hard time not bumping their heads on the roof. The car was agile but lacked the oomph that I get in my n54 e92. In non sport it feels like you’re driving a Camry. Nothing special. Anyways I didn’t push the car too hard because the salesman who got in the car with me happened to be a woman lol but she could tell I wasn’t impressed. They tried to convince me that adding a flash and a pedal tuner would transform the car but I want something that’s fun to drive right out the box. For a 2 door car with 2 seats, the Supra would only be an attractive option if it was priced at around 43-45k, and at its current price point just doesn’t offer enough to justify that tag.
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It's a nice little car that is woefully overpriced for what you get. Had the opportunity to test drive one in San Antonio early in January, the car salesmen practically kissed my shoes when I told them I was looking at one of them. They had 3 on the lot, including one of the launch editions that was marked at just under 60k. The one I test drove was navy blue and msrped at 56k but "they were willing to work with me" because they needed to move inventory for the new upcoming model. I drove it & wasn't particularly impressed . The cabin felt small and cramped. The pillars made it hard to see from the corners and I'm only 5'7 and felt that anyone over 6'2 was going to have a hard time not bumping their heads on the roof. The car was agile but lacked the oomph that I get in my n54 e92. In non sport it feels like you're driving a Camry. Nothing special. Anyways I didn't push the car too hard because the salesman who got in the car with me happened to be a woman lol but she could tell I wasn't impressed. They tried to convince me that adding a flash and a pedal tuner would transform the car but I want something that's fun to drive right out the box. For a 2 door car with 2 seats, the Supra would only be an attractive option if it was priced at around 43-45k, and at its current price point just doesn't offer enough to justify that tag.
Have you seen what stickers at $43-45k?
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People's ignorance on vehicle prices stun me (pre-covid). 40K buys shit.
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Have you seen what stickers at $43-45k?
Pretty sure you can get a barely used GT350 or Bmw M3 at 45-47k.
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Clearly not all of us have pockets as deep as you
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Clearly not all of us have pockets as deep as you
Still driving my 2008 9-3 shaggin wagon i bought for $16K!
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Pretty sure you can get a barely used GT350 or Bmw M3 at 45-47k.
Stickers .. Stickers. Not used.
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Stickers .. Stickers. Not used.
Audi S5, Q60, RCF? Even a base model M2 competition at 58k. All roomier, with more features, horsepower and are actually considered luxury vehicles . For 55k you need a car that’s going to put a smile on your face the minute you drive it off the lot. If you already own a fast car, then it’s probably not going do that. Unless of course you want to add a few additional thousand to mod it but that’s a different story.
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