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      08-21-2015, 02:27 PM   #265
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Nope. Those are quotes from the tests. Manual is faster 0-60 and the distance keeps growing with speed.
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Nope. Those are quotes from the tests. Manual is faster 0-60 and the distance keeps growing with speed.
Hmm...after looking at BMW's website, it seems that the 328i is by itself in having the manual being faster than the 8AT. The 8AT is faster for the 335i and is the same as the manual for the 320i. Interesting to say the least...

I have attached all three 0-60 times from BMWUSA.com. It starts from lowest to highest (320i, 328i, and 335i).
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You're wrong.

I already posted the test results from multiple sources for the car we were discussing.
Not interested in where you're going with some other insignificant data.

eta - I can post links to multiple magazine real life test results if needed.
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Hmm...after looking at BMW's website, it seems that the 328i is by itself in having the manual being faster than the 8AT. The 8AT is faster for the 335i and is the same as the manual for the 320i. Interesting to say the least...

I have attached all three 0-60 times from BMWUSA.com. It starts from lowest to highest (320i, 328i, and 335i).
I would imagine it's the Sports 8AT in the 335i.

I would hazard a guess the 328i has the normal auto box.

Likely the Sports 8AT would be same or 0.1 sec faster.

Most likely faster I reckon.
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The MT is faster and only gets faster with speed.

Here's the press release on bimmerpost --
http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=592598

Performance:
335i:
306 horsepowers (300hp / 300lb-ft US model)
0-62mph: 5.5s (0-60mph: 5.4s US model)

328i:
245 horsepowers (240 hp / 255lb-ft US model)
0-62mph: 5.9s (0-60mph: 5.9s [auto] / 5.7 [manual] US model)
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You're wrong.

I already posted the test results from multiple sources for the car we were discussing.
Not interested in where you're going with some other insignificant data.

eta - I can post links to multiple magazine real life test results if needed.
Not sure if you're trolling or if you're legitimately an idiot.

An 8AT is incrementally faster than a 6MT, period. Not that it matters since the difference isn't night and day anyway.
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Not sure if you're trolling or if you're legitimately an idiot.

An 8AT is incrementally faster than a 6MT, period. Not that it matters since the difference isn't night and day anyway.
You're WRONG. Every magazine I've seen that compares the 328i says the the manual is faster 0-60 than the regular Auto, and pulls away with speed.
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Again the Manual is faster than the Auto.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...2012-bmw-328i/


-- Timed 0-60 --
Manual - 5.7
Auto --- 5.9
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Again the Manual is faster than the Auto.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...2012-bmw-328i/


-- Timed 0-60 --
Manual - 5.7
Auto --- 5.9
Those are just based on BMW's estimates.

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=692427

That's a link to an actual magazine article which states slightly different times and on the actual BMW webpage they actually quote the automatic as being faster than the manual.

Either way, you're actually wrong. Any instrumented test (NOT estimates) show the automatic is a tick faster.

"In 2012 (first year for the F30), CAR & DRIVER magazine tested an F30 335i Sport with the 6MT 6 speed manual transmission , and reported a 0-60 time of 5.3 seconds (considerably slower than the 2011 E90 335i 6MT they tested the year prior, reporting a 0-60 time of 4.8 seconds). In 2013, CAR & DRIVER again tested an F30 BMW 335i – this time an M Sport model with the new 8AT automatic transmission (comparing it to both a Lexus and a Cadillac). In this test, the 2013 BMW 335i M Sport managed an impressive 0-60 time of 4.6 seconds.. I’ve never known an automatic transmission to perform faster than it’s manual transmission counterpart (driven by someone with the expertise to maximize the performance) but BMW’s new 8-Speed automatic does indeed perform better than their 6-Speed manual transmission. Truly impressive."

At the end of the day it doesn't really matter since like I said it's hardly noticeable but at this point you're really grasping at straws. Just enjoy your little 328i.
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No its not. I've read the articles. They each have slightly different stats. Even saying the Manual pulls away even more the faster you go.

You're posting 335 stats, where I'm not even discussing a 335. Good grief. My 328 manual is faster than a 328 Auto, not a 335. I've got it in multiple magazines and the bimmerpost release.

Not 1 says the Auto is faster.

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0-62mph: 5.9s (0-60mph: 5.9s [auto] / 5.7 [manual] US model)
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Will look for it tomorrow.

However the F328i with the 8AT sports auto, using launch control is 5.6.

Thing is though as has been done to death 0.2 differences are nothing.

If they did the same run 10 times, they would be lucky to get 5.7 / 5.9 more than a few times.
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No its not. I've read the articles. They each have slightly different stats. Even saying the Manual pulls away even more the faster you go.

You're posting 335 stats, where I'm not even discussing a 335. Good grief. My 328 manual is faster than a 328 Auto, not a 335. I've got it in multiple magazines and the bimmerpost release.

Not 1 says the Auto is faster.

Performance:
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245 horsepowers (240 hp / 255lb-ft US model)
0-62mph: 5.9s (0-60mph: 5.9s [auto] / 5.7 [manual] US model)
Those 0-60 times are faster than what some of the legendary muscle cars of the 1960s were capable of with 400+ cubic inch V8s.
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Those 0-60 times are faster than what some of the legendary muscle cars of the 1960s were capable of with 400+ cubic inch V8s.
Hell, today my mother just bought a Volvo SUV with 305 horsepower. An Ocean Racer edition that's probably faster than my BMW, and maybe faster than a 335. I need to go find the review.
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Hell, today my mother just bought a Volvo SUV with 305 horsepower. An Ocean Racer edition that's probably faster than my BMW, and maybe faster than a 335. I need to go find the review.
The Polestar V60 and S60 have pretty good numbers as well, but there is no seat time on my part to give objective impressions.
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Those 0-60 times are faster than what some of the legendary muscle cars of the 1960s were capable of with 400+ cubic inch V8s.
Is 400 cubic inch like 6 liters? Those are monstrous engines. So these days BMW N20/N26 can hit similar 0-60 with 1/3 the displacement(and probably with much improved fuel efficiency too), that is very impressive.
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Is 400 cubic inch like 6 liters? Those are monstrous engines. So these days BMW N20/N26 can hit similar 0-60 with 1/3 the displacement(and probably with much improved fuel efficiency too), that is very impressive.
The largest engines of the muscle car era tended to be 7 liters which is 427 cubic inches. Ford made a 428, Chevrolet a 427, Plymouth and Dodge a 426 Hemi and Pontiac a 421.

The Shelby Cobra did 0-60 in 4.2 seconds which is not quite as fast as an F82 M4 which is 1/2 ton heavier and has an engine about 1/2 the displacement.

This is pushing the limits of the term muscle car, but the design ethos of the original Shelby Cobra is definitely muscle. Carrol Shelby stuffed small block, then big block, Ford engines into the flyweight British AC Ace sports car. The result was a monster of a sports car, with 425 horsepower in a 2,500 pound car. For reference, that is 400 pounds lighter than a Miata, but 3 times the power. Yikes. The Cobra won hundreds of races in the ‘60s, and became the car that every other supercar would be measured against, often even today.

AC Cobra Specifications - Engine and Transmission.

AC Cobra Engine: The Shelby AC Cobra model had a Ford 7000 cc (427.1 ci) 16 valve V8 N/A Petrol engine.
AC Cobra Transmission: This AC Cobra 427 had a Borg Warner T-10 Manual 4 speed gearbox with the power being delivered through it's RWD system.

Power and Torque Specifications.

AC Cobra Power: The Cobra's 7000 cc (427.1 ci) engine reaches its peak power of 410 bhp (305 kW) @ 6000 rpm.
AC Cobra Torque: The AC Cobra produces torque measuring 482 lb-ft (555.8 Nm) @ 3700 rpm.
AC Cobra Power to Weight: The Cobra weighs around 1147 kg (2528 lb). Power to weight can be calculated at 357.4 bhp per metric ton or alternatively as 420.2 lb-ft of torque per ton.

AC Cobra Performance Specifications.

AC Cobra Top Speed: The AC Cobra 427 - [1966] has a top speed of 165 mph (265.5 kph)
AC Cobra Acceleration: This Cobra reaches 0 to 60 mph (96.6 kph) in 4.2 seconds and can cover a 1/4 mile in an estimated 11.52 seconds.
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There is an article here that list the 0 to 60 times of classic muscle cars.

Between 4 and 5 seconds.

AC Cobra 427 - [1966]
0 to 60 mph time - 4.2 seconds

Chevrolet Corvette C2 Stingray 427 425hp - [1966]
0 to 60 mph time - 4.8 seconds



Between 5 and 6 seconds.


Ford Mustang Boss 429 - [1969]
0 to 60 mph time - 5.1 seconds

Ford GT 40 - [1967]
0 to 60 mph time - 5.3 seconds

Plymouth Road Runner 426 Hemi V8 1st Gen - [1968]
0 to 60 mph time - 5.3 seconds

AC 428 Coupe 7.0L V8 - [1967]
0 to 60 mph time - 5.4 seconds

Ford Mustang Mach 1 428 Super Cobra Drag Pack 4 Speed - [1969]
0 to 60 mph time - 5.4 seconds

AMC AMX /3 6.4L V8 - [1969]
0 to 60 mph time - 5.5 seconds

Buick GS 455 Stage 1 7.5 V8 - [1969]
0 to 60 mph time - 5.5 seconds

Chevrolet Chevy II Nova SS 327 V8 Turbo Fire 350hp - [1966]
0 to 60 mph time - 5.5 seconds

Chevrolet Corvette C3 427 V8 Convertible - [1968]
0 to 60 mph time - 5.5 seconds

DeTomaso Mangusta 4.7 V8 - [1967]
0 to 60 mph time - 5.5 seconds

Ford Mustang 428 Cobra Jet 7.0 V8 - [1968]
0 to 60 mph time - 5.5 seconds

Plymouth Road Runner 440 V8 1st Gen - [1969]
0 to 60 mph time - 5.5 seconds

Chevrolet Camaro SS 396 Coupe 4 Speed Close 1st Gen - [1967]
0 to 60 mph time - 5.6 seconds

Dodge Charger 7.0L Daytona Hemi - [1969]
0 to 60 mph time - 5.6 seconds

Dodge Coronet Hardtop R/T 7.0L V8 426 - [1968]
0 to 60 mph time - 5.6 seconds

Iso Fidia 350 5.4L V8 - [1967]
0 to 60 mph time - 5.6 seconds

Chevrolet Chevy II Nova SS 396 V8 3spd Manual - [1969]
0 to 60 mph time - 5.8 seconds

Chevrolet Corvette C1 327 V8 - [1962]
0 to 60 mph time - 5.8 seconds

DeTomaso Mangusta 4.9 V8 - [1966]
0 to 60 mph time - 5.8 seconds

Lamborghini Islero 3.9L V12 - [1968]
0 to 60 mph time - 5.9 seconds

Complete list here:

http://www.autosnout.com/Cars-0-60mph-List-1960s.php
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I wouldn't consider the cobra a muscle car, more a race car. Stuffing a large V8 in an intermediate coupe made a muscle car.

Comparing 0-60 times from the traction limited days of bias ply tires is a bit silly. Any modern family sedan would probably beat those times. The fun of those cars was massive torque down low and you really needed a quarter mile to get things going.

Largest engines? You didn't even list them (and I'm probably forgetting a few):
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unconditional MT driver here.


yes i recognize that automatics nowadays and EV are performing better, but i just feel so much better driving a MT.

It's not the speed but rather for the engagement.

and for those citing long commute in stop and go traffic...
I commute for over an hour in stop and go traffic for the past 15 years, i see no issue at all... driving a MT is second nature, and just like breathing, i dont have to think about it.
i dont see any inconvenience or any more physical pain in my left leg....

going on road bike or mountain bike rides are much more enduring to my body than driving manual...
if for you driving manual is painful in anyway, then you really must not be in any good physical shape or health.

It's really not hard or painful driving a manual. I think you just try to find excuses to be lazy and just prefer to let the auto transmission do the job for you...

just admit it, the convenience of the auto is what keeps you away from a perfectly fine MT.
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Both me and my wife drive manuals.
2018 340i zhp and she has a 2009 135i (hydro steering.
I agree with above that it's second nature. Short or long commutes. City or country - it's all good. Plus some additional benefits.
- nobody wants to borrow your car.
- valet guys don't want to touch it - so if you are ever at a place that mandates valet parking - you just park it yourself upfront and it stays safe .
Even my dealer always pages a tech to get at drop off vs letting porters drive it. That's sad and funny at the same time.
Couple years ago I wanted an SUV to see if that's a form factor we would like. Took a while but found a 2013 Cayenne with 6 speed ! Great car but shifter was a bit agricultural. Still on the lookout for 2006 x5 manual.

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Holy eight year old thread revival from out of nowhere! Yes, you are correct. I like driving an automatic for the convenience. I had my manual driving days. I never minded driving automatics and I really don’t miss my manual transmission days.
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Holy eight year old thread revival from out of nowhere! Yes, you are correct. I like driving an automatic for the convenience. I had my manual driving days. I never minded driving automatics and I really don’t miss my manual transmission days.
Automatics nowadays (well ones with good transmissions) can be used with paddle shifters so you still get a somewhat more connected experience when you want. Sure it's not the same thing as a third pedal.
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