[insanediego]

Asked this in another thread, but wanted to get it out there a bit more.

I have a 2014 335i M Sport (8AT, DHP) on order. I was originally hoping for Dinan, but since they still aren't firm on a release date, I started looking at the MPPK.

1. For those that have MPPK - do you feel you should have waited for Dinan?

2. For those that are waiting for Dinan, what's the reason for not going the MPPK route?

3. Are they mutually exclusive? Can you get Dinan later if you get the MPPK first?

My issue is that I can still finance things into the lease, meaning I only pay the non-residual portion of the upgrade, but if I wait for Dinan I'd have to pay it all out of pocket (unless the Dinan Stage 2 magically appears in the next 6 weeks or so).

Thanks in advance.

[AgentCircus]

Go MPPK, especially since you're leasing and can residualize part of the cost. I just ordered mine after debating between the various tunes that are available (or presumably going to be available). It's even more of a no-brainer for you since installation will be free and you can get invoice on the MPPK - which is under $1000.

[Agamemnon]

I went MPPK way back in June as I just couldn't wait for Dinan to get their product to market. Glad I did as the tune really woke the car up.

You can get the Dinan tune later even if you have MPPK but that would be a major waste of money. Tunes don't stack. They are a reprogramming of the DME so the latest tune would overwrite the previous tune. The Dinan tune is just around the corner and we don't know how much better it is than the MPPK or even if it is better. You can always wait until the Dinan is released and reviewed and then make an informed decision as to which route to go.

[AgentCircus]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

I went MPPK way back in June as I just couldn't wait for Dinan to get their product to market. Glad I did as the tune really woke the car up.

You can get the Dinan tune later even if you have MPPK but that would be a major waste of money. Tunes don't stack. They are a reprogramming of the DME so the latest tune would overwrite the previous tune. The Dinan tune is just around the corner and we don't know how much better it is than the MPPK or even if it is better. You can always wait until the Dinan is released and reviewed and then make an informed decision as to which route to go.

Do you have an 8AT? There'a huge thread and some nice owner feedback on the 6MT, would be nice to see some more feedback for auto owners.

[auf Deutsch]

PPK was a no brainer for me given the fact I'm leasing as well. >$900 for over 35hp and WAY over 32tq is well worth it. Factor in the fact that the tune is an authentic BMW product working in seamless conjunction with the rest of the car, and what you have is a win-win situation.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by AgentCircus

Do you have an 8AT? There'a huge thread and some nice owner feedback on the 6MT, would be nice to see some more feedback for auto owners.

Yes my ride is a 2013 8AT 335xi M-sport. As well as the MPPK I have an Akrapovic exhaust which sings a lovely song! On WOT, with the MPPK you get wonderful pops as the transmission upshifts. Torque is really evident - the car pulls like a locomotive. I paid probably top dollar for the MPPK here in Canada as I was the first one the Vancouver dealer did. Had to leave the car overnight as they had to talk to the BMW mothership to get the go-ahead for the download (my understanding of the process anyway) That was 8,000 km ago and I haven't had any issues - just smiles!

[DesertSmokeBBQ]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

I went MPPK way back in June as I just couldn't wait for Dinan to get their product to market. Glad I did as the tune really woke the car up.

You can get the Dinan tune later even if you have MPPK but that would be a major waste of money. Tunes don't stack. They are a reprogramming of the DME so the latest tune would overwrite the previous tune. The Dinan tune is just around the corner and we don't know how much better it is than the MPPK or even if it is better. You can always wait until the Dinan is released and reviewed and then make an informed decision as to which route to go.

The Dinan tune is NOT "just around the corner." They have had a '12 & '13 F30 328 + 335 for over a year and if you talk to them they'll tell you they're nowhere NEAR releasing a tune due to the new 128 Bit encryption & new communication system. They aren't able to break the encryption and can't talk to the DME and BMW isn't helping them. They will ALSO tell you they aren't working on a piggyback tune currently...

[auf Deutsch]

^^he's right

[Agamemnon]

Yes I'll agree on this one. My just around the corner comment was a little off. I meant that Dinan has been working on it for a long time. Maybe they just won't get a tune done for this N55 which leaves the MPPK as probably the only tune in town if you want a tune with a warranty.

"Tune in hand is better than a tune in the bush"

That said, I think the MPPK is a pretty good tune for the dollar.

[FeckinSpaceman]

This is killing me...... I know if I go get the MPPK within a month the Dinan tune will magically appear! I want my car tuned but I feel like $900-$1000 is a lot for 35ish HP and TQ

[ShlemonboostedM]

Originally Posted by FeckinSpaceman

This is killing me...... I know if I go get the MPPK within a month the Dinan tune will magically appear! I want my car tuned but I feel like $900-$1000 is a lot for 35ish HP and TQ

That's y I went with jb4.. half the price.. double the power..

[FeckinSpaceman]

Originally Posted by ShlemonboostedM

That's y I went with jb4.. half the price.. double the power..

I really don't want to void my warranty....but it is starting to seem like an option

How long have you had it....any issues? have you gone in for service with it?

[insanediego]

That's the $24 question... are there ANY reports of someone getting caught with their hands in the tuning cookie jar and what has it cost?

Also, how much of a pain is it to have to remove/reinstall the sw everytime you need service?

Originally Posted by FeckinSpaceman

I really don't want to void my warranty....but it is starting to seem like an option

How long have you had it....any issues? have you gone in for service with it?

[ShlemonboostedM]

Originally Posted by insanediego

That's the $24 question... are there ANY reports of someone getting caught with their hands in the tuning cookie jar and what has it cost?

Also, how much of a pain is it to have to remove/reinstall the sw everytime you need service?

It's 10min to uninstall or install jb4 it's safe .. I have never ever heard anybody blow their engine while running the tune .. They also have best customer service .. U can write em email at 11 pm on Sunday and ull get response from Terry ( owner of bms) in 10 mins .. I had no issues running it on previous leased 335i which was also fbo .. And I'm running jb4 on my new 335i .. All my friends have one on 650i , 335i n54 haven't heard about one issue with it ..

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by ShlemonboostedM

It's 10min to uninstall or install jb4 it's safe .. I have never ever heard anybody blow their engine while running the tune .. They also have best customer service .. U can write em email at 11 pm on Sunday and ull get response from Terry ( owner of bms) in 10 mins .. I had no issues running it on previous leased 335i which was also fbo .. And I'm running jb4 on my new 335i .. All my friends have one on 650i , 335i n54 haven't heard about one issue with it ..

Not directing this comment at the JB4 or any other specific 3rd party tune, but I see turbos fail all the time from using aftermarket tunes. I consider turbo failures far from unusual once you go beyond a mild tune.

[ma3loom]

My Dinan stage 1 just came in for my 2014 335i 6MT. Going to have it put in on Monday, so I'll post my opinion. I test drove a similar 335 but automatic and definitely was impressed but the difference didn't seem as much as I would expect so opted to wait for Dinan. I'd be curious to put my Dinan up against another 6MT MPPK and see how it fared once all said and done.

[rjpeaks]

i'd like to do that too - i have a 6MT and MPPK and MPE.

i'm in socal.

[2018FireOrangeM3]

Originally Posted by ma3loom

My Dinan stage 1 just came in for my 2014 335i 6MT. Going to have it put in on Monday, so I'll post my opinion. I test drove a similar 335 but automatic and definitely was impressed but the difference didn't seem as much as I would expect so opted to wait for Dinan. I'd be curious to put my Dinan up against another 6MT MPPK and see how it fared once all said and done.

I was just wondering how things were with your DINAN tune? Impressions? ? I have a 335i 6mt with MPPK. I waiting till dinan can tune my car. Not sure how long that will be. Or what to expect.

[ft1330]

Reviving this Dinan thread. I was at a Dinan installer the other day for something else and he was really pushing those Dinan upgrades. Those aren't cheap... But neither is the MPPK and the amount of power from the Dinan is way better. But there is JB4. I raised the point of the price difference between JB4 and Dinan and why would I go Dinan (outside of the obvious part about the warranty). He said JB4 are known to blow up engines. Like he had past customers that had blown engines from JB4 and now he's stopped selling it. Now of course I take this with a grain of salt since he was pushing Dinan but.... Has anyone got thoughts about engines blow ups due to JB4 and if anything like that has happened with Dinan? Also, will Dinan release a Stage 2/3, etc?

[Vegetable]

Originally Posted by ft1330

Reviving this Dinan thread. I was at a Dinan installer the other day for something else and he was really pushing those Dinan upgrades. Those aren't cheap... But neither is the MPPK and the amount of power from the Dinan is way better. But there is JB4. I raised the point of the price difference between JB4 and Dinan and why would I go Dinan (outside of the obvious part about the warranty). He said JB4 are known to blow up engines. Like he had past customers that had blown engines from JB4 and now he's stopped selling it. Now of course I take this with a grain of salt since he was pushing Dinan but.... Has anyone got thoughts about engines blow ups due to JB4 and if anything like that has happened with Dinan? Also, will Dinan release a Stage 2/3, etc?

Is the Dinan power really that much better than the MPPK? It's my understanding that it has a 15 or less HP/ lb-ft of torque (real world, not rated) advantage over MPPK.

[ft1330]

Originally Posted by Vegetable

Is the Dinan power really that much better than the MPPK? It's my understanding that it has a 15 or less HP/ lb-ft of torque (real world, not rated) advantage over MPPK.

From what I understand:

Stock dynoed at 315 / 326

MPPK dynoed at 336 / 377

Dinan dynoed at 360 / 392

[FC4]

Originally Posted by ft1330

From what I understand:

Stock dynoed at 315 / 326

MPPK dynoed at 336 / 377

Dinan dynoed at 360 / 392

Bullshit. The blind is leading the blind with nonsensical crank HP estimates. None of these cars "dynoed" at any of these figures. The only reason Dinan sticks to claims of estimated crank HP is to cater to rookies who don't know any better.