[snowghost]

I've scheduled to get the Dinan suspension and ECU turning for my 335i Adaptive Suspension. It drops the car 20mm instead of 10mm.

http://dinancars.com/product/d906-30...ries&mid=1205/

[casualDIYer]

Originally Posted by mckmcr

I also believe its worth it although my car doesn't have it...

I am not very disappointed because I love the way the car handles and I don't think Im driving a worse car because of that. I just know when im driving more aggressive where it could be more stiffer and have less body roll thats it.

All in all in UK its a £515 option and definitely a must-have if you're buying new (and used as well if you can check what options has it got)

Mine was 1 year old and £9000 cheaper than new so Im not going to moan even for a second.

I understand what you're saying and would also like a finer degree of control but you need to keep in mind that if the car becomes too stiff, it will become twitchy. Slight oversteer or less than ideal traction may cause the tail to step out. Some roll is required to let weight transfer into the spring a bit as opposed to directly into the control arms. Also, really tight suspension is really hard on a car.

Additionally, street legal cars are built to a public road standard, which can vary quite a bit from one place to another. Also, insurance won't sign off on anything they view as 'track' ready. Automakers have to please customers, governments, and insurance companies. Building a great performing car to get through the gauntlet of bureaucracy and potential litigation is quite a challenge.

[mckmcr]

Adaptive suspention is definitely the future, but cars need to be aware of whats ahead (radar preferably) to act stiff on even surface and soft on a bumpy one

[IS350]

I appreciate this thread, might anybody know how the standard M4 suspension stiffness would compare to the firmest setting on the M-adaptive? 20% more stiff? I intend to do some road course driving with my dealer's incoming pre-ordered M4, it lacks M adaptive and I'm wondering if I should just wait three months and order the car the way I want it. I just sold my E92- M3 so I need a car ASAP, would probably just get a rental car if I decide M adaptive and some of the other driving package options are worth waiting for my order. Any thoughts?

[PabloK]

Originally Posted by IS350

I appreciate this thread, might anybody know how the standard M4 suspension stiffness would compare to the firmest setting on the M-adaptive? 20% more stiff? I intend to do some road course driving with my dealer's incoming pre-ordered M4, it lacks M adaptive and I'm wondering if I should just wait three months and order the car the way I want it. I just sold my E92- M3 so I need a car ASAP, would probably just get a rental car if I decide M adaptive and some of the other driving package options are worth waiting for my order. Any thoughts?

I would get the DHP and if it's not firm enough add the Dinan Shockware software.. Its only like $299 and has been getting good reviews.

I have 3 DHP cars and love it (F22, F30, & F31). I get a non-DHP loaner every once in a while and they're not as much fun to drive.

[IS350]

Originally Posted by PabloK

I would get the DHP and if it's not firm enough add the Dinan Shockware software.. Its only like $299 and has been getting good reviews.

I have 3 DHP cars and love it (F22, F30, & F31). I get a non-DHP loaner every once in a while and they're not as much fun to drive.

Thx, is dhp the same as M-Adaptive suspension?
Is the software only an option if I get M-Adaptive?

[PabloK]

Originally Posted by IS350

Thx, is dhp the same as M-Adaptive suspension?
Is the software only an option if I get M-Adaptive?

The Dynamic Handling Package includes:
Variable sport steering
Adaptive M Suspension

In the USA this is the only way to order it, as a complete package for $1,000. It's a no brainer just order it... It's an upgrade.

[ilyabarankevich]

sorry to bring up an old thread but i didnt order it and this is what it shows on my build page

2015 335i US

Your 335i Sedan Selected Options




Swatches & Colors



See all standard features


M Sport Brakes

Sport automatic transmission with shift paddles

Heated front seats

Harman Kardon surround sound system

M Sport
•Highlight trim finishers Estoril Blue matte
•Highlight trim finishers Black high-gloss
•Highlight trim finishers pearl gloss chrome
•Shadowline exterior trim
•Aerodynamic kit
•Anthracite headliner
•Sport seats
•M steering wheel
•M sport suspension
•Adaptive M Suspension

Premium Package
•Comfort Access keyless entry
•Lumbar support
•Satellite radio with 1 year subscription

[HighlandPete]

Originally Posted by ilyabarankevich

sorry to bring up an old thread but i didnt order it and this is what it shows on my build page

.......
•Sport seats
•M steering wheel
•M sport suspension
•Adaptive M Suspension

I'm in the UK, but reading the general forum remember this being illustrated/mentioned before, misprint if I remember correctly. You can't have both the suspension options in your list and there is no reference to the DHP package you have your side of the pond. I guess you have the passive M-sport suspension.

HighlandPete

[Professor///M]

Originally Posted by ilyabarankevich

sorry to bring up an old thread but i didnt order it and this is what it shows on my build page

2015 335i US

Your 335i Sedan Selected Options




Swatches & Colors



See all standard features


M Sport Brakes

Sport automatic transmission with shift paddles

Heated front seats

Harman Kardon surround sound system

M Sport
•Highlight trim finishers Estoril Blue matte
•Highlight trim finishers Black high-gloss
•Highlight trim finishers pearl gloss chrome
•Shadowline exterior trim
•Aerodynamic kit
•Anthracite headliner
•Sport seats
•M steering wheel
•M sport suspension
•Adaptive M Suspension

Premium Package
•Comfort Access keyless entry
•Lumbar support
•Satellite radio with 1 year subscription

Often times the online process shows you all of the current options for the vehicle. For instance it shows you all 3 interior trim lines, despite whatever you ordered. You got whatever you ordered from your dealership. They should have a print out.

This is a computer issue on BMWs end.

[Mike_L]

Mine doesn't have any suspension listed under M Sport, but I do have DHP.

Dynamic Handling Package

Variable sport steering
Adaptive M Suspension

M Sport

Highlight trim finishers Estoril Blue matte
Highlight trim finishers Black high-gloss
Highlight trim finishers pearl gloss chrome
Shadowline exterior trim
Aerodynamic kit
Anthracite headliner
Sport seats
M steering wheel

[snowghost]

My first M-Sport showed Adaptive Suspension on the website, but it was a mistake. Others have reported the same.

Running the VIN will show you that.

[casualDIYer]

Originally Posted by BMWCali

Gotcha. Thanks!

So how much tighter does the M adaptive suspension make the suspension and control body roll when in Sport+ vs. the standard suspension on the F30? Is it 50 to 100% tighter, or is the margin a lot smaller than that? I test drove a standard 335i without the M adaptive suspension so just curious if I should expect to see a huge difference with body roll control with the M adaptive suspension in Sport+.

Looks like someone has done a comparison of static vs. active damping for M Sport suspension.

http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=802149

To sort through the mess, try RealOEM and check the part numbers. For example,

328i RWD (USA), Front Suspension:

Spring (part number not given - consult BMW dealer for 'various models')
Additional Shock Absorber 31336855440
Additional Shock Absorber (M Sport Suspension) 31336857729
Additional Shock Absorber (Adaptive M Suspension) 31336791507
Front Stabilizer Bar 24mm 31356792124
Front Stabilizer Bar 24.2mm (M Sport Suspension) 31356792125
Left Front Strut (called a 'spring strut') 31316791551
Left Front Strut (M Sport Suspension) 31316791579
Left Front Strut VDC (variable damping control - Adaptive M Suspension) 37116793865

328i XDrive (USA), Front Suspension
Spring (part number not given - consult BMW dealer for 'various models')
Additional Shock Absorber 31336857729
Additional Shock Absorber (M Sport Suspension) N/A
Additional Shock Absorber (Adaptive M Suspension) 31336791507
Front Stabilizer Bar 22.5mm 31356792143
Front Stabilizer Bar (M Sport Suspension) N/A
Left Front Strut (called a 'spring strut') 31316791553
Left Front Strut (M Sport Suspension) N/A
Front Strut VDC (variable damping control - Adaptive M Suspension) 37116793869

Regarding springs, I believe there are two. Normal and 10mm shorter. On the XDrive, there is only one 'normal' spring.

Got a RWD car you can have 3 suspensions: Normal, M Sport and Adaptive M Sport.

Have an XDrive you can have 2 suspensions and they are different from the RWD suspensions (at least their part numbers are).

For sport nuts suggest a RWD car with M or Adaptive M. If you want sporty and AWD Adaptive M is the only option. I'd guess XDrive might have a 'floatier' adaptive suspension (given the thinner stabilizer bar and the impression XDrive is pushed more toward the general car buyer over the 'sport driver') but I've never test driven XDrive and RWD back to back with Adaptive M added to both to tell. If you had XDrive and wanted something sportier suggest seeking the aftermarket.

[N33D4SP33D]

Is the adaptive M suspension different than the m3 adaptive M suspension?

[anotheran]

Originally Posted by N33D4SP33D

Is the adaptive M suspension different than the m3 adaptive M suspension?

Yes, m3 has 3 settings while non m only have 2. And obviously turning for it is different. But the underlying technology is the same (I.e. Non magnetic)

[HighlandPete]

Originally Posted by N33D4SP33D

Is the adaptive M suspension different than the m3 adaptive M suspension?

Simple answer is yes, it is a more basic system. F80 M3 has quite a few differences from the damper design itself, weight of parts, through to the modes function. M3 has 3 base adaptive modes.

[Westsider45]

As somebody who's owned both a 228i and 320i with "passive" M-Sport suspensions because "Dynamic Handling Package"/"Adaptive M" used to be inferior up to and including the 2016/LCI models (from the enthusiast perspective, at least,) the new tuning for 2017 finally represents a superior offering for enthusiasts - giving even *firmer* settings in Sport Mode than the M-Sport ever provides...

Hallelujah!

The last one I drove, a 2016 328i ZMP ZTR, had the creamiest ride of any car I'd ever driven, but was indistinguishable in Sport Mode vs Comfort Mode. No more!

[nozydog]

Originally Posted by F30AM

A totally non-technical response .........
M Sport Adaptive Suspenders: The difference between an amazing car and a mediocre one.

Not at all, I have standard M sport suspension with MPSS non RFT's and the ride is sublime and the cornering/body control is superb (and I've come straight from a Porsche Cayman, the best handling car on the planet bar none!!!) I couldn't test adaptive as, here in the UK, dealers don't seem to stock any test cars with it (and my dealer said hardly anyone specs it) It seems to be a good choice if you are buying an X drive as it (apparently) helps to contain some of the 'floatiness' the X drive suspension suffers from.... or so I've read!

metallicpea tested adaptive & non adaptive M suspension at length and chose the standard M as he preferred it for it's 'predictability' (ie with adaptive being errrr adaptive, you never quite know what it's going to do!!)

[snowghost]

Originally Posted by nozydog

Not at all, I have standard M sport suspension with MPSS non RFT's and the ride is sublime and the cornering/body control is superb (and I've come straight from a Porsche Cayman, the best handling car on the planet bar none!!!) I couldn't test adaptive as, here in the UK, dealers don't seem to stock any test cars with it (and my dealer said hardly anyone specs it) It seems to be a good choice if you are buying an X drive as it (apparently) helps to contain some of the 'floatiness' the X drive suspension suffers from.... or so I've read!

metallicpea tested adaptive & non adaptive M suspension at length and chose the standard M as he preferred it for it's 'predictability' (ie with adaptive being errrr adaptive, you never quite know what it's going to do!!)

I enjoy my adaptive after having passive. But I put Dinan springs and shockware on it. Amazing difference.

[manmar]

Hi to all,

I didn’t try F30/F31 adaptive suspension but recently I’ve tested F36 420d(M equipment) with adaptive suspension system and I was really surprised and bit disappointed how I couldn’t feel much difference between the Comfort/Sport mode.

Comfort mode felt soft and it wasn’t so bad, but I had higher expectations from Sport mode which wasn’t stiff like M sport suspension at all.

Overall feeling was ok but still slightly different compering to my F31 standard suspension, which I would probably choose again.

When comparing to M sport suspension they still didn’t achieve that feeling of stiffness and stability with adaptive suspension.

It’s only my point of view and I think everyone should try it before buying it.

[Ammy340i]

If I have m adaptive suspension, can I still get a coil over system?

[anotheran]

Originally Posted by Ammy340i

If I have m adaptive suspension, can I still get a coil over system?

yes. if you get non adaptive - code out or EDC delete kit. bilstein adaptive coilovers - compatible