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      05-20-2012, 11:57 PM   #23
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$599 was the dealer fee, CA said he couldn't waive it so he reduced the price of the car instead but that $599 has to stay on the paper work. Also I have no MACO fee on my paperwork.
Ah its possible the MACO is the dealer fee in your case.
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Ah its possible the MACO is the dealer fee in your case.
I guess.

I know I worked really hard to get that price below edmunds price. The only they wouldn't budge on are the fees and I couldn't do anything about it.
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      05-21-2012, 12:10 AM   #25
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Building a car to order is different than buying off the lot because while showroom models are already sitting there (the dealer wants them gone to make room for more cars) if you build one then the dealer must order it. This means occupying space on the lot with it until you pick it up and one fewer "showroom" car that he can order. Theres also the chance that you put in the deposit and order but never pick the car up. While you would lose your deposit the dealership would now be taxed with selling the car which you may have ordered in less desirable colors/options. For these reasons you may be able to get a little bit off but if you order a car you will likely pay close to MSRP.

The same is true of shipping a car from another dealership to yours. When the dealership occupies a lot space specifically for you then your price negotiation becomes limited.
Almost every sentence in this post is wrong.

First of all, if you cancel an order, you do not lose your deposit. As a matter of fact, I didn't even have to put a deposit down to order the car. I did not pay close to MSRP. My dealer immediately agreed to Invoice + $500. I eventually got it for invoice price + $0. And an ordered vehicle does not come out of their showroom allotments. Seriously. Where did you get your info?
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Almost every sentence in this post is wrong.

First of all, if you cancel an order, you do not lose your deposit. As a matter of fact, I didn't even have to put a deposit down to order the car. I did not pay close to MSRP. My dealer immediately agreed to Invoice + $500. I eventually got it for invoice price + $0. And an ordered vehicle does not come out of their showroom allotments. Seriously. Where did you get your info?
I think its possible that custom orders do come from dealer allotments, but I agree with you that it seems easier to get a deal on an ordered car. If you got invoice on a 335 you are the man.
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I think its possible that custom orders do come from dealer allotments, but I agree with you that it seems easier to get a deal on an ordered car. If you got invoice on a 335 you are the man.
This is completely separate from the number of orders for their showroom floor. Every dealer has an allotted amount of custom orders per month, called allocations. If they do a custom order from you, it doesn't not come out of show room allotment.

I was replying to this statement by PINeely: "one fewer "showroom" car that he can order"
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Almost every sentence in this post is wrong.

First of all, if you cancel an order, you do not lose your deposit. As a matter of fact, I didn't even have to put a deposit down to order the car. I did not pay close to MSRP. My dealer immediately agreed to Invoice + $500. I eventually got it for invoice price + $0. And an ordered vehicle does not come out of their showroom allotments. Seriously. Where did you get your info?
+1

The only side note is that sometime dealers will tell you that your car is "factory ordered" when in fact they just looked at their already inbound shipments and found a match. Then it does come out of their "allotment".... but who cares? That shouldn't affect your price at all
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I think its possible that custom orders do come from dealer allotments, but I agree with you that it seems easier to get a deal on an ordered car. If you got invoice on a 335 you are the man.
This is completely separate from the number of orders for their showroom floor. Every dealer has an allotted amount of custom orders per month, called allocations. If they do a custom order from you, it doesn't not come out of show room allotment.

I was replying to this statement by PINeely: "one fewer "showroom" car that he can order"
Just to clarify regarding allotments. You're saying a custom order comes out a certain number allotted monthly to the dealer. In contrast, European Delivery orders don't come out of that allotment, correct?
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Just to clarify regarding allotments. You're saying a custom order comes out a certain number allotted monthly to the dealer. In contrast, European Delivery orders don't come out of that allotment, correct?
I'm not sure on ED. Perhaps someone else can chime in.
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I'm not sure on ED. Perhaps someone else can chime in.
The reason I say this is that one of the ED negotiating points has been, "here take $X over ED invoice, (because you'll never have to floor the car and it doesn't come out of your allotment)"
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speaking of allotments.... how many 335i build slots would you think a relatively large dealership would get per month (and early in the production period, since this may matter too)?
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The reason I say this is that one of the ED negotiating points has been, "here take $X over ED invoice, (because you'll never have to floor the car and it doesn't come out of your allotment)"
Is this a good way to start a conversation with a dealer for an ED order? I really want to order kind of what I configured in BMWConfig, and my budget is very close to it. That tool has put into perspective what I can afford, and I want to use it as the bargaining tool when heading to a dealer. I'm just worried dealers around me are 100% clueless, and I'd end up paying for it.
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