[Star_Brand]

Originally Posted by S-Dot

So what happens with that plan when they introduce the 4-series Gran Coupè (4-door)?

lol, no clue sir.

[Divio]

Hey Fellas,

Wanted to see the Evolution of the 3, so quickly made this today.

It's tough to find a side view of an e36 Coupe non M!

E21 vs E30 vs E36 vs E46 vs E92 vs F32

[jippii ensio]

Originally Posted by S-Dot

Given what happened with the E90-to-F30 transition, why would you think this?

What happened was that F30 was supposed to be light, but when the magazines drove it to the scales, it was heavy and a big disappointment.

Let's compare the production versions. The actual 4-series test cars are out there and don't look nearly as good as the concept car.

[cipher5]

Originally Posted by MALDiVS GP

Hey Fellas,

Wanted to see the Evolution of the 3, so quickly made this today.

It's tough to find a side view of an e36 Coupe non M!

E21 vs E30 vs E36 vs E46 vs E92 vs F32
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Very cool

[Enter Faster]

What planet are the people who like that exhaust/rear bumper.. This is a car not a spaceship welcome to earth.

[S-Dot]

Originally Posted by jippii ensio

What happened was that F30 was supposed to be light, but when the magazines drove it to the scales, it was heavy and a big disappointment.

It wasn't supposed to be light, it was reported to be 88 lbs lighter on average for equivalent-equipped models. That's just a bit over two percent on average, so not a big difference overall, and not universally significantly lighter.

Car and Driver (ONE magazine) found their F30 335i test model to be 77 pounds heavier than a similar E90 335i they had tested, but they noted that a good chunk of that weight gain was due to the upgraded 19" wheels and run-flats.

That's pretty negligible considering the models weren't equipped equivalent, and including the heavier wheels and tires, even assuming the scale is 100% accurate for both measurements.

I haven't seen any other report showing a heavier measurement.

Bigger savings obviously with the 328i series, which is notably lighter this round versus the ol' V6.

So I'm not sure how one would accurately state this: "it was heavy and a big disappointment."

[kv12]

The Production version (With M Sport) will most likely look very close to this.

[WilliCO]

Originally Posted by jippii ensio

What happened was that F30 was supposed to be light, but when the magazines drove it to the scales, it was heavy and a big disappointment.

Let's compare the production versions. The actual 4-series test cars are out there and don't look nearly as good as the concept car.

You are either talking out of your ass or trolling.

I've heard that the electric steering is a bit of a let-down. I'm an xDrive guy so I don't care. Other than that, the worst I've heard is that the F30 is a little less edgy than the E90 and might be aimed at a different buying preference. That's different than "a big disappointment". Actually I'm coming off of an E60, so the direction the F30 has gone appeals to my preference and I bet I am not alone.

The F30 was a Motor Trend Car of the Year finalist again and is on the Car and Driver 10Best list, again. It's a fantastic car unless someone has a personal agenda for it not being one, like maybe they bought an E90 six months ago.

Let us know more about all the uncamouflaged test F32 cars you've been seeing. Send us a picture of one of them. And post your sources for these scathing reviews of the F30. Because I'm not running across them myself.

[bmrm396]

Originally Posted by Enter Faster

What planet are the people who like that exhaust/rear bumper.. This is a car not a spaceship welcome to earth.

look at the r8 = answer to ur q

[jrob]

Originally Posted by bmrm396

look at the r8 = answer to ur q

This is a concept though, that rear bumper and exhaust won't make it to the final design.

[PaulUK]

The integrated idrive screen on the old coupe looked much better. And those new cup holders are awful. It's a car not a Starbucks, BMW shouldn't be encouraging people to be driving whilst juggling with hot drinks. Crazy.

Bumpers are way over designed.

Apart from that, good job BMW!

[bobodrink]

f12 vs f32 pics???

[WilliCO]

Originally Posted by PaulUK

The integrated idrive screen on the old coupe looked much better. And those new cup holders are awful. It's a car not a Starbucks, BMW shouldn't be encouraging people to be driving whilst juggling with hot drinks. Crazy.

Bumpers are way over designed.

Apart from that, good job BMW!

I think I actually disagree with everything you wrote there. There's no accounting for taste, but I can't figure how the cupholders in the F30 aren't an improvement over the E9x. And I don't need anyone to govern my behavior as regards coffee in my car.

[Jason]

Originally Posted by bobodrink

f12 vs f32 pics???

Coming up soon.

[shoptb]

The saddle brown leather interior on the F32 w/ braiding is sick!!

[Kayani_1]

I hope the concept car does not change much. Specially those exhausts and rear and front bumpers.

[y789]

Originally Posted by kv12

The Production version (With M Sport) will most likely look very close to this.


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strange, i like this more than the concept

[Bimmer07]

I worked really hard and finally bought my e92 6 months ago. And this is what i get .. look at that f32 bmw plz give me another year lol

[jippii ensio]

Originally Posted by S-Dot

It wasn't supposed to be light, it was reported to be 88 lbs lighter on average for equivalent-equipped models. That's just a bit over two percent on average, so not a big difference overall, and not universally significantly lighter.

Car and Driver (ONE magazine) found their F30 335i test model to be 77 pounds heavier than a similar E90 335i they had tested, but they noted that a good chunk of that weight gain was due to the upgraded 19" wheels and run-flats.

That's pretty negligible considering the models weren't equipped equivalent, and including the heavier wheels and tires, even assuming the scale is 100% accurate for both measurements.

I haven't seen any other report showing a heavier measurement.

Bigger savings obviously with the 328i series, which is notably lighter this round versus the ol' V6.

So I'm not sure how one would accurately state this: "it was heavy and a big disappointment."

It was supposed to be lighter, but turned out to be heavier, which was big disappointment for me personally.

[MSteve5036]

Do we have anything from the old e92 concept? I think the f32 concept looks great but I have serious doubts it turns out like that. We will see though

[jippii ensio]

Originally Posted by WJGreer

You are either talking out of your ass or trolling.

I've heard that the electric steering is a bit of a let-down. I'm an xDrive guy so I don't care. Other than that, the worst I've heard is that the F30 is a little less edgy than the E90 and might be aimed at a different buying preference. That's different than "a big disappointment". Actually I'm coming off of an E60, so the direction the F30 has gone appeals to my preference and I bet I am not alone.

The F30 was a Motor Trend Car of the Year finalist again and is on the Car and Driver 10Best list, again. It's a fantastic car unless someone has a personal agenda for it not being one, like maybe they bought an E90 six months ago.

Let us know more about all the uncamouflaged test F32 cars you've been seeing. Send us a picture of one of them. And post your sources for these scathing reviews of the F30. Because I'm not running across them myself.

I meant I was disappointed for F30 weighing more than e90. Cars are growing bigger, but I'd how 3-series to grow slower, at least as long as 1-series and 2-series have not grown big enough for my taste.

However, 4-series has a chance to weigh the same as e92. Let's see what happens. The car looks good, but the camouflaged test cars have e92 kind of exhaust, for example, and the actual cars will most likely look more ordinary than the concept.

[WilliCO]

Originally Posted by jippii ensio

the camouflaged test cars have e92 kind of exhaust

This part I agree with. The exhaust treatment on the concept looks really expensive to produce; I expect that it will be simpler in production.