F30POST
F30POST
2012-2015 BMW 3-Series and 4-Series Forum
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
BMW 3-Series and 4-Series Forum (F30 / F32) | F30POST > BIMMERPOST Universal Forums > General BMW News and Cars Discussion > BMW rises in 2018 JD Power Dependability Study. 2er,4er,5er above average in segment.
GetBMWParts
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      02-16-2018, 06:40 PM   #23
ItsGary
Captain
ItsGary's Avatar
Canada
436
Rep
946
Posts

Drives: 2009 E90 M3
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Vancouver

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ZCPM4 View Post
this dude has some pretty hilarious videos on YouTube about these JD Power dependability awards...

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3k...yJBOOgsGH2elcg
fucking love Mahk. I was gonna link a video from the channel.
__________________
Instagram: @Namsaur
Is this the Krusty Krab?
No this is Patrick
Appreciate 1
ZCPM439.00

      02-16-2018, 06:45 PM   #24
akcheng
Private First Class
akcheng's Avatar
33
Rep
126
Posts

Drives: 2011.5 E90 M3 ZCP
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Bay Area

iTrader: (0)

Maybe this isn't the same report, but I thought Benz was a lot higher last year. womp womp
__________________
2011.5 E90 ///M3 ZCP
DDs: '08 E90 328i; '16 Mazda CX-5 (arriving soon)

Previous Cars:
2015 Honda Accord Sport; 2008 Lexus IS 250; 1999 Toyota Camry LE V6; 1998 Volvo S70 GLT
Appreciate 0
      02-16-2018, 07:00 PM   #25
deseroner
First Lieutenant
deseroner's Avatar
Nicaragua
46
Rep
345
Posts

Drives: Jerez black e92 m3 coupe 2009
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Pinole,CALI USA

iTrader: (4)

Quote:
Originally Posted by aerostar View Post
Wow look at Kia and Hyundai. What a change.
I own 2016 Sorento v6 awd for family and it is great . I love my m3 e92 for me .
__________________
09 Jerez black coupe . 275/35/19 mss rear,Alex alpine gts dct software with some coding(euro mdm,DVD in ,mirrors fold on lock ) , rogue engineering pulleys ,TTFS TUNE . Eibach springs . New brake front rotors with new hawk pads no rear pads. Rd front sway bar.ACTIVE AUTOWERKE TEST PIPES .csf dct cooler ,BE BEARINGS/BE ARP BOLTS,vibra road e/mounts
Appreciate 0
      02-16-2018, 07:25 PM   #26
x5mannn
Private First Class
63
Rep
183
Posts

Drives: 2010 X5 4.8
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Boston

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by MalibuBimmer View Post
Two problems. First, JD Power has enough categories so that everyone can glom a few "awards." It's little more than a participation trophy.

Second, based on the way it conducts its dependability "awards," if a car is complicated and confuses the driver, such as with sophisticated controls, that car gets marked down. Thus, simpler cars, with less sophistication, will do better on its surveys.

Bottom line is JD Power is as reliable as the Marquis Who's Who books. You pay, you get in.
Agree, last time I bought GM or Toyota, I would get annoying calls within 3 days on initial quality survey
They would keep calling and hassling until you filled out their worthless survey online
I told one lady interviewer I just drove home 3 miles and parked my truck and went on vacation and she kept asking questions how do I feel about 29 different quality things, I said I haven't even driven it
Would not take no for an answer this is the initial survey
How are the seats, how is the infotainment how's the paint, how's the styling
I said call in a month or two when I have a chance to test it
Still she insisted on completing the survey
You see the GM commercials, they talk about initial quality survey only
Appreciate 1
      02-16-2018, 07:36 PM   #27
RCtennis3811
Private First Class
69
Rep
135
Posts

Drives: N/A
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Dallas, TX

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by aerostar View Post
Wow look at Kia and Hyundai. What a change.
I always love reading quotes like this. Like, why are people still so surprised? South Korea is one of the most technologically-advanced countries in the world, with a culture that puts a huge emphasis on STEM education. How are we still surprised that their home-grown companies put out great products when they have been doing so for awhile now?
Appreciate 2
lab_rat162.50

      02-16-2018, 08:00 PM   #28
yousefnjr
Lieutenant Colonel
1184
Rep
1,780
Posts

Drives: 2006 Z4MR
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Bay Area, CA

iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by BMWAUDIO View Post
Are you sure this is true? I'm pretty sure I'm still Driving the "Ultimate Repair Machine"
That’s not their slogan anymore, it’s “Sheer Repairing Pleasure”
__________________
H&R Coilovers | AFE Intake + Sound Generator | Stromung Cans | VT Engine Mounts | RE Trans Mounts | RE RSM's | Beisan Vanos Kit | Aero Skirts | VMR V803's | GTB Pedals | F10 M5 Knob | Alcantara Wheel | Black Kidneys | 4.10 Gears | CPI Stepped Headers | ESS Tune | DKF Catless S-Pipe | SS Brake Lines | AS SSK | CDV Delete
Appreciate 0
      02-16-2018, 08:26 PM   #29
M3 Adjuster
Lieutenant General
M3 Adjuster's Avatar
United_States
6796
Rep
11,020
Posts

Drives: 1M, X1 M Sport, E46 325ic
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Dallas, Tx

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by aerostar View Post
Wow look at Kia and Hyundai. What a change.
also.. with the exception of Infiniti.. look at where all the Japanese manufacturers are... Honda.. Toyota.. Nissan.. mazda.. way down the list..
__________________
ALWAYS BET ON BLACK!
Lone Star BMW CCA Chapter Ex-president (retired 2017) , Chief Driving Instructor - LIFETIME Member # 119366
If you don't STAND for something.. you'll FALL for anything
Past: 1991 BMW E30 M3 street car ; 1988 BMW E30 M3 track car -
Appreciate 0
      02-16-2018, 08:27 PM   #30
M3 Adjuster
Lieutenant General
M3 Adjuster's Avatar
United_States
6796
Rep
11,020
Posts

Drives: 1M, X1 M Sport, E46 325ic
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Dallas, Tx

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by jlstyle View Post
One more reason to get a Porsche.
I'm not independently wealthy.. I need several thousand more reasons..
__________________
ALWAYS BET ON BLACK!
Lone Star BMW CCA Chapter Ex-president (retired 2017) , Chief Driving Instructor - LIFETIME Member # 119366
If you don't STAND for something.. you'll FALL for anything
Past: 1991 BMW E30 M3 street car ; 1988 BMW E30 M3 track car -

Last edited by M3 Adjuster; 02-16-2018 at 08:55 PM.
Appreciate 0
      02-16-2018, 08:44 PM   #31
goj
Brigadier General
goj's Avatar
United_States
1844
Rep
3,344
Posts

Drives: 2016 EBII 340i 6-MT
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Bay Area, CA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ron_jeremy View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by goj View Post
I used to be a die hard Honda/Acura guy. I lusted for the last gen TL Type S as my first sporty sedan despite the FWD. it was the last good looking Acura in my opinion

Now Acura has fallen in consumer reports and JD power rankings. Sad for a once highly desirable brand
Their lawnmover are decent though...


These Quality articles are very subjective, quality is a very personal thing, and is not easy to measure.
I completely agree. But this metric does tell you more and more Hondas and Acuras are having more problems.

I had a 2008 accord coupe v6 before I got into a 2008 e92 335i and I suppose I got lucky with the n54 but I never had anything go wrong all the way until I got my 340i. I bought car from my dad in 2013 and only issue was ignition coil replaced under warranty.

My accord had a bullet proof engine but my nav screen went out, my battery cable went bad and a couple other things like weather seals on the doors coming undone.

I simply feel the metric matches my experience
__________________
BMW CCA Member #516012
2016 340i, Estoril Blue, Manual Transmission, MPE, APEX EC-7
Instagram: @brandonsclean3
Appreciate 0
      02-16-2018, 09:34 PM   #32
Rupes
Major
Rupes's Avatar
United_States
582
Rep
1,288
Posts

Drives: F87 M2 (current), E90 330xi (w
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Oregon

iTrader: (0)

To be fair - only 3 Buick's sold in 2017, so the results are a little skewed.
Appreciate 5
ORIGIN M.3050.00
Jadar1560.00
txoid19.00

      02-16-2018, 09:45 PM   #33
ORIGIN M.
Banned
3050
Rep
9,222
Posts

Drives: ///M
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Northern Hemisphere

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ron_jeremy View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by goj View Post
I used to be a die hard Honda/Acura guy. I lusted for the last gen TL Type S as my first sporty sedan despite the FWD. it was the last good looking Acura in my opinion

Now Acura has fallen in consumer reports and JD power rankings. Sad for a once highly desirable brand
Their lawnmover are decent though...


These Quality articles are very subjective, quality is a very personal thing, and is not easy to measure.
My plastic deck Honda Harmony was great my neighbor bought the same model at a discount as he worked at a nearby Honda store. His failed and Honda did nothing not even offering goodwill for their dealership employee. I felt super bad for the guy. Horrible testimonial.
Appreciate 1
      02-16-2018, 09:48 PM   #34
ORIGIN M.
Banned
3050
Rep
9,222
Posts

Drives: ///M
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Northern Hemisphere

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rupes View Post
To be fair - only 3 Buick's sold in 2017, so the results are a little skewed.
Appreciate 1
      02-16-2018, 09:53 PM   #35
insanecoder
Brigadier General
640
Rep
3,046
Posts

Drives: 340isDrive
Join Date: May 2016
Location: East Coast USA

iTrader: (0)

Uh the 3 is no slouch in the quality area as well.. speaking for mineself of course
Appreciate 0
      02-16-2018, 10:20 PM   #36
F32Fleet
Major General
F32Fleet's Avatar
United_States
967
Rep
7,124
Posts

Drives: 2015 435i
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Southeastern US

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by jlstyle View Post
One more reason to get a Porsche.
Meh. I've yet to be convinced that they score high because of high quality vs the vast majority of the cars are garage queens with minimal content.
__________________
"Drive more, worry less. "

435i, MPPK, MPE, M-Sport Line
Appreciate 1
d05wtt22.50

      02-16-2018, 10:34 PM   #37
rich8566
Captain
rich8566's Avatar
United_States
453
Rep
951
Posts

Drives: M2
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: NY

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2014 BMW M235i  [0.00]
The study uses a very limited timeframe which is the past 12 months for 2015 vehicle. Here's an excerpt from the study:

"The study, now in its 29th year, measures the number of problems experienced per 100 vehicles (PP100) during the past 12 months by original owners of 2015 model-year vehicles. A lower score reflects higher quality, and the study covers 177 specific problems grouped into eight major vehicle categories. The overall industry average improves by 14 PP100 to 142 PP100 from 156 PP100 in 2017."
__________________
Current: 2017 ///M2 manual and 2000 Mercedes SL500 (red). Prior: 2014 M235i, 2011 E90 335i M-Sport, 2007 E90 335i. (All manual, sport pack, blue, ED except M2). Also the following prior slushbox BMWs: 2011 X3 (red, N55) and 2008 535XiT (blue, N54). Also prior convertible: 1994 MX5 (blue, manual, R-Package).
Appreciate 0
      02-16-2018, 11:15 PM   #38
rad doc
Lieutenant
150
Rep
454
Posts

Drives: 1M AW loaded
Join Date: May 2011
Location: texas

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by F32Fleet View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by jlstyle View Post
One more reason to get a Porsche.
Meh. I've yet to be convinced that they score high because of high quality vs the vast majority of the cars are garage queens with minimal content.
Nope. Dont think so since their number one selling vehicle is the macan.
Appreciate 0
      02-16-2018, 11:35 PM   #39
aerostar
Major
393
Rep
1,017
Posts

Drives: 2018 F80
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: NJ

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by RCtennis3811 View Post
I always love reading quotes like this. Like, why are people still so surprised? South Korea is one of the most technologically-advanced countries in the world, with a culture that puts a huge emphasis on STEM education. How are we still surprised that their home-grown companies put out great products when they have been doing so for awhile now?
Um, I'm Korean.

I'm proud of the motherland. I'm not surprised by the outcome, I'm happy that they've turned their brands around a lot.

Not that JD Power surveys really mean anything.
Appreciate 0
      02-16-2018, 11:53 PM   #40
chrisk03
Private First Class
chrisk03's Avatar
United_States
2
Rep
159
Posts

Drives: 2011 335i M-Sport
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Northeast

iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by doug_999 View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by goj View Post
I used to be a die hard Honda/Acura guy. I lusted for the last gen TL Type S as my first sporty sedan despite the FWD. it was the last good looking Acura in my opinion

Now Acura has fallen in consumer reports and JD power rankings. Sad for a once highly desirable brand
My wife has a 2014 MDX. Horrific infotainment setup. Worse, the phone pairs when it feels like it and we still can't figure out how to change settings. Other Acuras have this same 3 level setup and it might be the worst engineered POS I've ever used.

So in short, I think Acura's rating is probably too high
Quote:
Originally Posted by ron_jeremy View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by goj View Post
I used to be a die hard Honda/Acura guy. I lusted for the last gen TL Type S as my first sporty sedan despite the FWD. it was the last good looking Acura in my opinion

Now Acura has fallen in consumer reports and JD power rankings. Sad for a once highly desirable brand
Their lawnmover are decent though...


These Quality articles are very subjective, quality is a very personal thing, and is not easy to measure.
Quote:
Originally Posted by doug_999 View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by goj View Post
I used to be a die hard Honda/Acura guy. I lusted for the last gen TL Type S as my first sporty sedan despite the FWD. it was the last good looking Acura in my opinion

Now Acura has fallen in consumer reports and JD power rankings. Sad for a once highly desirable brand
My wife has a 2014 MDX. Horrific infotainment setup. Worse, the phone pairs when it feels like it and we still can't figure out how to change settings. Other Acuras have this same 3 level setup and it might be the worst engineered POS I've ever used.

So in short, I think Acura's rating is probably too high
Precisely why the better half has kept her 2011 MDX. The dual screen, infotainment system in the newer MDX's (and all Acura's) is absolutely horrible. At 115k miles it's been pretty reliable and it's a great long distance traveler. I was expecting her to want something new since I recently got a new car, but she's good for another couple years...then it's probably an X3.

Oh, my Honda lawnmower has been a beast for the last 15 or so years.
__________________
2011 335i M-Sport (SOLD), BMW Performance Powerkit Version 1, BMW Performance Exhaust (SOLD), 35% F1 Pinnacle Tint
Appreciate 0
      02-16-2018, 11:55 PM   #41
cwulffy
Private
United_States
75
Rep
88
Posts

Drives: F30
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Orange County

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by aerostar View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by RCtennis3811 View Post
I always love reading quotes like this. Like, why are people still so surprised? South Korea is one of the most technologically-advanced countries in the world, with a culture that puts a huge emphasis on STEM education. How are we still surprised that their home-grown companies put out great products when they have been doing so for awhile now?
Um, I'm Korean.

I'm proud of the motherland. I'm not surprised by the outcome, I'm happy that they've turned their brands around a lot.

Not that JD Power surveys really mean anything.
I don't see the relevance of saying you're Korean

???
Appreciate 0
      02-17-2018, 12:49 AM   #42
MilehighM3
Colonel
MilehighM3's Avatar
329
Rep
2,952
Posts

Drives: E90 M3
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Colorado Springs

iTrader: (13)

Quote:
Originally Posted by jlstyle View Post
One more reason to get a Porsche.
Funny how cars with an average mileage less than half of the competitors can have less problems, isn't it? Exposure is a bit different by comparison. That coupled with the fact that they never change anything major all help with these surveys. Add in the common engines, gearboxes, chassis platform with Audi/VW and they'll make the needed corrections prior to product launch.
Appreciate 1
d05wtt22.50

      02-17-2018, 01:09 AM   #43
Calvin36
Lieutenant Colonel
Calvin36's Avatar
United_States
910
Rep
1,694
Posts

Drives: F30 335i M Sport
Join Date: May 2017
Location: San Francisco

iTrader: (2)

Good to see BMW isn't absolute shit when it comes to it... as useless as these ratings are haha
__________________
Mine: BSM F30 335i M Sport
Hers: AW F30 328i M Sport
Appreciate 0
      02-17-2018, 01:23 AM   #44
M3 Number 86
Major General
2451
Rep
5,250
Posts

Drives: black m3
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: pasadena

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by F32Fleet View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by MalibuBimmer View Post
Two problems. First, JD Power has enough categories so that everyone can glom a few "awards." It's little more than a participation trophy.

Second, based on the way it conducts its dependability "awards," if a car is complicated and confuses the driver, such as with sophisticated controls, that car gets marked down. Thus, simpler cars, with less sophistication, will do better on its surveys.

Bottom line is JD Power is as reliable as the Marquis Who's Who books. You pay, you get in.
+1. IMO the VDS is largely irrelevant because it only covers first 3 yrs of ownership. I really wish they stretched it out to 5 years.
That gets worse for bmws don't do it. Lol
__________________
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:39 PM.




f30post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST