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      08-26-2019, 09:54 PM   #2311
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I love Tesla mine self. I know he is whey ahead from every car manufacturer as far as EV goes

I do agree most you are saying.

Here are a few things I disagree:

1- You are comparing model S ( car ) with iNext ( SUV ) should compare model X 300mil range.

2- super charger network in Europe not in place ? It is already in place ( not nearly as much as Tesla ) but it's there, see link.

3- Bmw is starting over the air software update too


https://ionity.eu/
The model X battery is going to get upgraded by years end per sources within Tesla. That will give it range closer to 350mi.

I was referring to the US with regards to Tesla's supercharger network. I'm unaware of how things look in Europe.

I think every company will begin to do over the air updates. The question is will they be as comprehensive as Tesla's? I hope they are. We'll have to see what happens.
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      08-26-2019, 10:09 PM   #2312
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I wounded if we ever gone get a EV that can do more then 500 mil. Probably will take many years
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      08-27-2019, 03:45 AM   #2313
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By now there's a whole bunch of people (myself included) who came to B-post because they were BMW owners but have switched to Teslas and are hanging around here just for fun (nothing's better than teasing all those poor 340i owners who thought they were buying a high performance car) or other reasons. However much I like ze Germans, I doubt BMW will have much luck reversing this trend.
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      08-27-2019, 03:49 AM   #2314
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I wounded if we ever gone get a EV that can do more then 500 mil. Probably will take many years
The next leap in EV range will come from better efficiency, not larger batteries. This is why Tesla bought Maxwell. We just need to wait until that tech is integrated into the next generation of Tesla drivetrains.
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      08-27-2019, 07:28 AM   #2315
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I make complete sense. People certainly cross shop the Tesla Model 3 with other EVs and partial EV (i.e. hybrids). The Model 3 is touted as Tesla's breakthrough EV for the masses, since it is priced in the $40K range; remember it was first supposed to sell at $35,500 WITHOUT the Federal Government subsidy, but that never materialized. $35K is the price where an EV starts to compete economically with an ICE vehicle.

You must have some idea that the Model 3 is a "near luxury" entry-level luxury model (i.e. like a BMW 3-series) from a luxury manufacturer (i.e. BMW, Mercedes, etc.) because of its $40K MSRP. The Model 3 is nowhere near a near-lux vehicle from a luxury vehicle manufacturer. It's an expensive economy car because it is expensive to design and manufacture. The people who need to own a car that has a low monthly fuel cost can't afford the Model 3 MSRP and most likely don't economically qualify to collect on the (original) $7,500 tax rebate.

One of Elon Musk's stated goals with Tesla is to flip the driving public to convert to EV, and he plays the save-the-planet card doing so. Well, if Musk wants to flip the world's, or let's say just the US market, personal transportation system to EV he has to sell an EV at a price that makes economical sense and compete in total ownership cost with ICE. The Honda Accord is one of the most popular selling cars in the US market and has an average transaction price around $30K. I'm simply stating the Model 3 is not achieving Musk's goal because it can't compete in total ownership cost with other mainstream non-EV vehicles. Not to mention competing in refueling convenience and range capability.

When the Model 3 was announced with much fan-fare, the US Press excitedly touted that the EV save-the-planet change was coming as evidenced by the over 400,000 pre-production slot orders. Now in reality world land... I can drive over to the Tesla store in Tyson's Corner, Virginia, and drive out in a $40,470 Model 3 with no wait. Last I checked the Model 3 has sold 222,500 cars, so by my simple math the Model 3 has not achieved anywhere near the stated goals made for it.

Regarding cross-shopping BMW and Honda, I'll go on record that they do. Most people cross-shop cars on price; you may not understand this, but auto executives do. Ever wonder why Mercedes and BMW have recently gone down market by introducing front-drive sedans in the low $30K price range? Perhaps they are chasing higher volume sales? Where is Honda's sweet spot in volume sales, yup a $30K front-drive sedan. What was the Lexus and Infinity, and later Acura business model some 30 years ago? To offer a German-class luxury sedan and 1/2 to 3/4 the price. What is Hyundai's business model with Genesis... yup the same. And let's not get into the CUV market discussion...
You can argue until the cows come home. It's just your opinion. Matters zero.
I'll go with the data. See this post by anglo.
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Where is Honda in that list?
Tesla was recently the top seller of EVs. Period. No matter how you classify them.
Not even sure what your point is anymore. Doesn't matter.

Also: https://www.latimes.com/business/aut...501-story.html
"Tesla sold 10,050 Model 3s in April, the website said; the runner-up, the Toyota Prius Prime, notched only 1,399 sales."

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      08-27-2019, 07:41 AM   #2316
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I wounded if we ever gone get a EV that can do more then 500 mil. Probably will take many years
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I wounded if we ever gone get a EV that can do more then 500 mil. Probably will take many years
The next leap in EV range will come from better efficiency, not larger batteries. This is why Tesla bought Maxwell. We just need to wait until that tech is integrated into the next generation of Tesla drivetrains.
There is a company that developed a car few years ago that can go 1000km ( 625mil ) and one more that can go 1400km ( 875mil )

Nobody knows about it. Lol
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      08-27-2019, 08:05 AM   #2317
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You can argue until the cows come home. It's just your opinion. Matters zero.
I'll go with the data. See this post by anglo.



Where is Honda in that list?
Tesla was recently the top seller of EVs. Period. No matter how you classify them.
Not even sure what your point is anymore. Doesn't matter.

Also: https://www.latimes.com/business/aut...501-story.html
"Tesla sold 10,050 Model 3s in April, the website said; the runner-up, the Toyota Prius Prime, notched only 1,399 sales."
Well Honda isnt considered a luxury car so it wouldnt be on that list...

accord vs "estimated" (inflated) model 3 numbers...

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      08-28-2019, 05:18 AM   #2318
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You can argue until the cows come home. It's just your opinion. Matters zero.
I'll go with the data. See this post by anglo.



Where is Honda in that list?
Tesla was recently the top seller of EVs. Period. No matter how you classify them.
Not even sure what your point is anymore. Doesn't matter.

Also: https://www.latimes.com/business/aut...501-story.html
"Tesla sold 10,050 Model 3s in April, the website said; the runner-up, the Toyota Prius Prime, notched only 1,399 sales."
Where did I make an argument that the Model 3 wasn't a top-selling EV? I didn't. Come back and have a discussion when you figure out what the subject matter is.
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      08-28-2019, 10:29 AM   #2319
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The model X battery is going to get upgraded by years end per sources within Tesla.
when are they going to update the tesla model-s? thing has basically been the same car for a decade. time for a new release... if audi, bmw or mb did this the automotive rags would be all over them for having a dated vehicle.
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      08-28-2019, 01:33 PM   #2320
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when are they going to update the tesla model-s? thing has basically been the same car for a decade. time for a new release... if audi, bmw or mb did this the automotive rags would be all over them for having a dated vehicle.
Well, they changed the front bumper. =P

Honestly my favorite things about Tesla's incremental design/function updates and the sales numbers posted here are:
1. They have an ordering system where you get to pick your options, but the delivery timing is such that you don't actually know what you're going to get when you order. Maybe you'll have the new AP hardware, maybe not. Maybe you'll get the front-end update, maybe not. I can't see any other automaker getting away with stuff like that. Look at how upset we get when BMW decides to give us only one regular keyfob vs. two.
2. All of Tesla's sales are direct, yet they cannot or will not report a count of how many cars they've sold YTD? Hysterical.
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What will bring down Tesla is any of the following:

1 Poor build quality
2 replacement parts are difficult to come by. Hope that your car never needs any major repairs because you will never see it again.
3 Poor customer service with crowded and overwhelmed service centers
4 Cheap interiors for luxury car prices.
5 Monopoly for parts and service. Be prepared to pay Tesla's astronomical prices when your car is well out of warranty.

And Tesla's biggest enemy is its very Elon Musk.
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What is going to bring down Tesla is acquiring Solar Shitty. They will do just fine in the EV business.

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you know how so many say that tesla isn't a car company they are a tech company? well apparently they're not even a good tech company:

https://www.wired.com/story/hackers-..._term=list1_p4
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I've seen model x with misaligned rear doors. They were just pumping out cars not caring for quality.
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I've seen model x with misaligned rear doors. They were just pumping out cars not caring for quality.
I have seen that too, though the later Tesla seems to have better built quality (panel gap wise)
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Saw this article from the Verge. PETA urging Tesla not to use leather in the interior of their cars, as if to suggest it would save cows. If cows are being raised on farms to be slaughtered for meat, might as well make use of the leather, using the entire animal rather than throwing away lol.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/2/20...steering-wheel
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When I was looking at a Model 3 the sales person referred to the interior as Vegan Leather. Not sure why, but that wording bothered me more than it should have. Plus, no leather in a luxury car just seems odd...
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The Model 3 has the ugliest shittiest interior I've ever seen. It looks like something out of a crappy early 80s concept car with an iPad taped to the dash.
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Saw this article from the Verge. PETA urging Tesla not to use leather in the interior of their cars, as if to suggest it would save cows. If cows are being raised on farms to be slaughtered for meat, might as well make use of the leather, using the entire animal rather than throwing away lol.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/2/20...steering-wheel
Cows used for hides are raised for that. They're treated much better than cows used for meat. So yes, less demand for hide cows does "save" animals.
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Leather seats. Vinyl seats. Cloth seats. Who cares. it's a Tesla Model 3. Doesn't make a difference.
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Actually the lack of leather will be the mark of all modern cars in the future. Tesla is first in autos but the trend is to end the use of leather worldwide. The Leather industry is being replaced in numerous sectors.
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Actually the lack of leather will be the mark of all modern cars in the future. Tesla is first in autos but the trend is to end the use of leather worldwide. The Leather industry is being replaced in numerous sectors.
Should I stock up on leather shoes?
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