Very OT: Evo track battle of Audi RS3 vs Volkswagen Golf R

F30AM · 08-04-2015, 03:10 PM

Nick the Greek · 08-04-2015, 03:23 PM

So let me just get this straight.

Aldi want to charge you £10,000 more for a hot hatch that is.

Slower

Has worse brakes

And carries less corner speed than the R?

To whom?

Idiots

dopper99 · 08-04-2015, 03:57 PM

Should have put them both against the Civic R. Would have smashed them.

Wills2 · 08-04-2015, 04:05 PM

The RS team can't be happy with that, that Golf R is a tasty package for what £250 a month?

F30AM · 08-04-2015, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Wills2

The RS team can't be happy with that, that Golf R is a tasty package for what £250 a month?

Those days of £250 pm are well and truly over. Add another £100 to a cooking 3 door DSG!

Pissed off Audi guys. A bit like some of the posters on here:
http://www.audi-sport.net/xf/threads...vs-rs3.250376/

....,,,,..,,.. · 08-04-2015, 04:50 PM

How did the Golf R do against the Seat Cupra 280 ?

Tengocity · 08-04-2015, 05:06 PM

It's a good video, I like Dan more and more. He's about 10 times more insightful than Sutcliffe!
Those times are about 5 secs quicker a lap than me and Nisfan in our respective cars... I reckon I can get a couple more seconds off that in which case that's no bad going for a diesel hearse!
If only the wife liked Golfs rather than the mini we bought

Nick the Greek · 08-04-2015, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by F30AM

Those days of £250 pm are well and truly over. Add another £100 to a cooking 3 door DSG!

Pissed off Audi guys. A bit like some of the posters on here:
http://www.audi-sport.net/xf/threads...vs-rs3.250376/

Oh you little tinker......

Let's see if I can resist joining an Aldi forum

Apl440i or 335d? · 08-05-2015, 01:49 AM

Wonder how the focus rs will stack up?

Is the Leon not faster than the R?

Vag have got it all backwards!

....,,,,..,,.. · 08-05-2015, 02:07 AM

From watching the video, we relearned a tight sorted chassis will perform better on the track.
That 60bhp ain't really a lot of difference.

That the Leon and Renault are better / more fun to drive than both the Golf R and the RS3.

robwils · 08-05-2015, 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick the Greek

So let me just get this straight.

Aldi want to charge you £10,000 more for a hot hatch that is.

Slower

Has worse brakes

And carries less corner speed than the R?

To whom?

Idiots

10k? Is spec of the cars the same ? It usually isn't.
What's standard for the price quoted, leather ? DSG ?
Guess it's what you would spec that might make a difference, I would want those two for a start.

Prefer looks of the RS to be honest too.

NISFAN · 08-05-2015, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by robwils

10k? Is spec of the cars the same ? It usually isn't.
What's standard for the price quoted, leather ? DSG ?
Guess it's what you would spec that might make a difference, I would want those two for a start.

Prefer looks of the RS to be honest too.

No, you are correct, if you spec a Golf R same as a base RS3 (Leather seats, 19" wheels, 5 door, DSG, etc), there is way less than 10 grand in it. So the Audi is priced quite well when you think about the more complex AWD system, bigger engine and the fact that it is a 'premium' brand.

Loving how car enthusiasts will buy a car on how fast it goes round a track, and never track it.

My dad is stronger than your dad......

SkyJawa · 08-05-2015, 03:11 AM

I love how they say that 2 other FWD alternatives were better on track!

creepy coupe · 08-05-2015, 03:15 AM

Audi still haven't lost the ability to charge more for less.

NISFAN · 08-05-2015, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SkyJawa

I love how they say that 2 other FWD alternatives were better on track!

Yes, well probably 3 actually, the Renault 275 Trophy, Leon Cupra 280 and Honda Civic. Renault and Leon significantly cheaper than the Golf R too.

None of this matters, you buy the car that appeals to you most, end of.

SkyJawa · 08-05-2015, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by NISFAN

None of this matters, you buy the car that appeals to you most, end of.

Couldn't agree more!

My comment was more around how amazing that statement is, not v long ago high power FWD in a car was spawn of satan and majorly slated. All the comments of they can't handle much over 200bhp (Mk1 Focus RS etc), and they certainly wouldn't have been track weapons back then. Amazing how the FWD game has moved on.......

ep22jg · 08-05-2015, 03:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NISFAN

Yes, well probably 3 actually, the Renault 275 Trophy, Leon Cupra 280 and Honda Civic. Renault and Leon significantly cheaper than the Golf R too.

None of this matters, you buy the car that appeals to you most, end of.

Agreed

None of the above sound half decent next to the RS3!
I know it might not be the quickest, but Audi do know how to inject a bit of drama to the proceedings. I still miss the sounds of my V6 S4!!
Don't miss the 'turn and hope' steering though!!

Wills2 · 08-05-2015, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by F30AM

Those days of £250 pm are well and truly over. Add another £100 to a cooking 3 door DSG!

Sorry I was talking ex VAT, from what I can see you can get one for £250 + VAT, which is cheap motoring.

F30AM · 08-05-2015, 03:58 AM

Personally, I love the RS3 and the S3 Sportback. And I love our 330d M Sport. All good cars as is the R, M235i and M135i.

davyk31 · 08-05-2015, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by F30AM

Personally, I love the RS3 and the S3 Sportback. And I love our 330d M Sport. All good cars as is the R, M235i and M135i.

You will get a sore ass sitting on the fence like that

But you're right they are all good cars that find their buyers. We buy what we prefer.

That Audi 5 pot however sounds great

robwils · 08-05-2015, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by davyk31

You will get a sore ass sitting on the fence like that

But you're right they are all good cars that find their buyers. We buy what we prefer.

That Audi 5 pot however sounds great

Personally I think he's had too many chill pills this morning, not like him at all .

Good vid and thanks for posting, but just adds more confusion to my choosing a new car(s) Mrs seems fairly settled on the 135 i choice for herself.

Cootie · 08-05-2015, 05:32 AM

Wonder how much of the RS3s apparent weaknesses are because it just hasn't been set up right 'out of the box' much like many of us have found with our 335ds. It may deliberately have been set up to understeer at the limit because Audi thinks that's what most of their customers want. Perhaps a set of ABT/MTM springs and a beefed up set of ARBs are all that is needed to turn it into something much more driver oriented....

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