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      04-12-2021, 09:12 PM   #23
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My local shop said they could see that there is no record of my 2015 F31 having any software update since 2016. They say they can check the car to see if the car shows the last current software versions and that they can update the car to the latest versions, including the relevant SIBs. Not sure I am understating if they they need to update the specific SIB to address the steering (SIB 32 03 19) or if the latest SIB sort of captures all changes made up to that point. Iíll learn more tomorrow.

Fingers crossed this update makes a difference.
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      04-15-2021, 08:01 PM   #24
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My local shop said they could see that there is no record of my 2015 F31 having any software update since 2016. They say they can check the car to see if the car shows the last current software versions and that they can update the car to the latest versions, including the relevant SIBs. Not sure I am understating if they they need to update the specific SIB to address the steering (SIB 32 03 19) or if the latest SIB sort of captures all changes made up to that point. Iíll learn more tomorrow.

Fingers crossed this update makes a difference.
This is the exact same thing I got today.
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My local shop said they could see that there is no record of my 2015 F31 having any software update since 2016. They say they can check the car to see if the car shows the last current software versions and that they can update the car to the latest versions, including the relevant SIBs. Not sure I am understating if they they need to update the specific SIB to address the steering (SIB 32 03 19) or if the latest SIB sort of captures all changes made up to that point. I’ll learn more tomorrow.

Fingers crossed this update makes a difference.
I took my car in for something unrelated to this. They told me my software was old and I should probably update it. $500 later, and its updated. I thought the steering felt heavier and all around better, but chalked it up to being used to my g20 330i loaner's loose steering for 3 days.

I didnt connect the dots at all until I read some of this thread.

Now I'm fairly certain the update improved the steering on my THP 340i
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      04-16-2021, 03:07 PM   #26
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Update: My local shop ran this SIB and all available updates for my 2015 F31 X-drive wagon. Turns out there had been not software updates since new, so Iím glad I did it. The actual update took a full day with the car plugged in. Shop charged $200 to oversee all this. I was happy to spend this to get a professional opinion on the carís mechanical worthiness and get the software updated to see if made any difference.

Results: dead spot on center remains. I think that I do *maybe* feel a tiny incremental improvement, or perhaps itís exactly the same as before the updates. This might simply be placebo. It certainly didnít make a night and day different, if it made any difference at all.

For what itís worth, the mechanic also drove the car before and after the updates. He said that my steering feel is actually pretty good for the F31 generation and confirmed that these do have dead spots, often, in his opinion.

So...at least now I know two things:
1. The steering is working as intended, nothing broken or overly worn out
2. The car has the latest updates, TSBs and SIBs installed, giving it every change to benefit from these updates.

Now I have to decide if I can live with the vague steering feel and the small dead spot on center, or if itís time to sell this and move on to a different experience.
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Update: My local shop ran this SIB and all available updates for my 2015 F31 X-drive wagon. Turns out there had been not software updates since new, so I’m glad I did it. The actual update took a full day with the car plugged in. Shop charged $200 to oversee all this. I was happy to spend this to get a professional opinion on the car’s mechanical worthiness and get the software updated to see if made any difference.

Results: dead spot on center remains. I think that I do *maybe* feel a tiny incremental improvement, or perhaps it’s exactly the same as before the updates. This might simply be placebo. It certainly didn’t make a night and day different, if it made any difference at all.

For what it’s worth, the mechanic also drove the car before and after the updates. He said that my steering feel is actually pretty good for the F31 generation and confirmed that these do have dead spots, often, in his opinion.

So...at least now I know two things:
1. The steering is working as intended, nothing broken or overly worn out
2. The car has the latest updates, TSBs and SIBs installed, giving it every change to benefit from these updates.

Now I have to decide if I can live with the vague steering feel and the small dead spot on center, or if it’s time to sell this and move on to a different experience.
I feel your pain! The first few weeks I had my '16 F30, the steering felt really weird. Maybe I'm used to it now so I notice it less but it's still not enjoyable. I feel the Guilia handles much better but...I only had a short drive in it so I could be imagining things 🤷🏻*♂️
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Funny this discussion has come up again.

After getting the Shockware tune which fixed the float/bob in the M Adaptive suspension, I find the on-center slop in the steering more noticeable. At highway speed I can feel the resistance on center "hunt" slightly and it's pretty annoying.

I'd be pretty happy if I could either disable it outright, or simply code in Sport steering 100% of the time regardless of what mode the rest of the car is in.
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      04-19-2021, 12:30 PM   #29
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Just like the prior few posts, I asked that the dealership, Bill Jacobs in Naperville, IL look into updating the steering on my 16 F31 to SIB 32 03 19 during an oil change (had a $25 off coupon). And just like chakatrain, there was an overall software update that could be done. So I went that route for $290.00.

The steering may be slightly different, but not much. It seems the center numbness is now a smaller area, but still there. Understeer is still present at a little push into the curves at speed.

The G20 330xi loaner had a better center feel than my F31 and didn't understeer as much at all. It did have a sportier feel. Sport steering was horrendous as there was weird feedback that didn't really need to be there, like the tires bouncing, really weird.

One of the articles I read in Car and Driver stated that the steering motor turns off at the center and turns on when the steering wheel is moved off center. This seems to be where the problem lies. I asked why can't that be programmed out. Of course, they can't as this saves approximately .01% in gas mileage. I use approximate as I am not sure the exact # from the article 6 years ago.

Overall the F31 is a nice step up from my E91 in many ways except for the reason I always liked Bimmer's and that is overall driver engagement and feel. I am a road bike guy so I always appreciated the feel of the road. Electric steering is here to stay though.
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Just like the prior few posts, I asked that the dealership, Bill Jacobs in Naperville, IL look into updating the steering on my 16 F31 to SIB 32 03 19 during an oil change (had a $25 off coupon). And just like chakatrain, there was an overall software update that could be done. So I went that route for $290.00.

The steering may be slightly different, but not much. It seems the center numbness is now a smaller area, but still there. Understeer is still present at a little push into the curves at speed.

The G20 330xi loaner had a better center feel than my F31 and didn't understeer as much at all. It did have a sportier feel. Sport steering was horrendous as there was weird feedback that didn't really need to be there, like the tires bouncing, really weird.

One of the articles I read in Car and Driver stated that the steering motor turns off at the center and turns on when the steering wheel is moved off center. This seems to be where the problem lies. I asked why can't that be programmed out. Of course, they can't as this saves approximately .01% in gas mileage. I use approximate as I am not sure the exact # from the article 6 years ago.

Overall the F31 is a nice step up from my E91 in many ways except for the reason I always liked Bimmer's and that is overall driver engagement and feel. I am a road bike guy so I always appreciated the feel of the road. Electric steering is here to stay though.
Do you have the variable sport steerng? Mine does, and that update made the feel a lot better compared to the version the car was delivered with.

I have seen other threads about improving feel. Apparently swapping the lower front control arms with the M3 version (you do need an alignment once this is done), changes the camber and makes it a lot better.

Never tried it though.
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Do you have the variable sport steerng? Mine does, and that update made the feel a lot better compared to the version the car was delivered with.

I have seen other threads about improving feel. Apparently swapping the lower front control arms with the M3 version (you do need an alignment once this is done), changes the camber and makes it a lot better.

Never tried it though.
I don't have the variable sport steering. You are correct in that there needs to be chassis mods to correct the understeer. Not sure that helps the center/off center steering issue. I've looked at different options, but haven't pulled the trigger.
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I don't have the variable sport steering. You are correct in that there needs to be chassis mods to correct the understeer. Not sure that helps the center/off center steering issue. I've looked at different options, but haven't pulled the trigger.
Just wondering. The software update fixed mine (but I do have VSS). I am happier with the update vs how the car was delivered though. I was pretty disappointed on how it felt like an old, partially worn out, pre-power steering vehicle on center. Just a huge dead spot.
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Having a bit of a dilemma. Currently have two F31's ('14 S-line and '19 M-sport). Both are bone stock xdrive/gasoline, and both have the 216A sport steering (non-variable VSS).

Steering feel on the '19 M-sport is abysmal. Huge dead spot on center, numb 15ļ either direction before it starts to load up. Sport mode just adds artificial weight but still has dead spot. By comparison the '14 S-line is substantially better. Responsive immediately and actually has pretty decent feel - not hydraulic good but acceptable for EPS and Xdrive. Verified by two other enthusiasts who have driven both cars. Ironic & troublesome that despite having 85k MORE miles, the '14 is more satisfying to drive.

Neither cars have had the software updated **to my knowledge**. Have owned both since new, and neither has felt different during the respective courses of ownership. Recently put on Michelin PS4S on the '19 M-sport and swapped the original Run-flats to the '14 S-line and the difference has remained constant so it really has been as apples to apples as I can get. I visited the local BMW shop foreman who drove the '19 and did agree it felt a little vague, but his only suggestion was to get the car re-aligned. Beyond that he didn't seem too interested in getting to the bottom of this and I don't feel like wasting $300.

I want to sell the '14 but this experience actually makes me want to keep it and sell the '19 if I can't rectify this, which is crazy...
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