[Insane435]

Car: 435i x drive lowered on KW v1's

What do you guys think of this setup. I am trying to come up with an efficient setup for all of my purposes without breaking the bank too too much.. I hated running my summer tires on track because of the extra abuse it adds; it started to compromise the tire in rainy conditions because of side wall wear. I figured since I need 18s for my winter set, it allows me to get a set of 18s for track now. I guess the real question is, will the VMR wheels be ok for both winter and track?

Lastly, I know the summer setup ill work with my coilovers because I am already running this. however, I am not sure about the winter & track sizes. I am mostly concerned with the front.

Summer: 19" OEM Concepts 763M rep with Bridgestone Pole Positions
Winter: 18" VMR 710 Wheels with Pirelli Sottozero 3's 245/40/18 square
Track: Using the same 18" VMR wheels with RE-71s 255/35/18 square

[N420i]

Originally Posted by Insane435

I guess the real question is, will the VMR wheels be ok for both winter and track?

Why wouldn't they be? It's just a rim, and a good quality one at that. If you mean because of tire sizing, then definately no problem in the rear but I wouldn't know if a 255 will fit up front... I guess it probably would depending on the rim's ET. If too low it'll hit the wing, if too high it'll rub against the shock.

[Insane435]

Originally Posted by N420i

Why wouldn't they be? It's just a rim, and a good quality one at that. If you mean because of tire sizing, then definately no problem in the rear but I wouldn't know if a 255 will fit up front... I guess it probably would depending on the rim's ET. If too low it'll hit the wing, if too high it'll rub against the shock.

You're right.

I guess I need to be sure I can fit as little as a 225 for winter, and as large as a 255 for track on the 18x8.5 wheels. I think It will be ok.

[N420i]

Originally Posted by Insane435

You're right.

I guess I need to be sure I can fit as little as a 225 for winter, and as large as a 255 for track on the 18x8.5 wheels. I think It will be ok.

225s on 8.5" rims will be almost perfect. You will be running a MINIMAL amount of stretch, which in my opinion just looks plain cool.

OTOH, 255s on 8.5" rims are gonna be pretty ballooney... I'd probably run 245s on the track if I had to go with 8.5" rims. Or you could just go with 9" rims and stretch the heck outta the 225s...

[Insane435]

Originally Posted by N420i

225s on 8.5" rims will be almost perfect. You will be running a MINIMAL amount of stretch, which in my opinion just looks plain cool.

OTOH, 255s on 8.5" rims are gonna be pretty ballooney... I'd probably run 245s on the track if I had to go with 8.5" rims. Or you could just go with 9" rims and stretch the heck outta the 225s...

That may be the move. I am going to have to decide if going 255s is worth it for track.

Also, I wonder if rocking the VMRs on track & winter is the way to go or if running the OE Conceptz replicas is better for those scenarios...

I am having difficulty coming up with the best setup here without spending $1400 on each set of wheels... If i could just have one set of wheels I would but with 3 sets of tires, its no feasible so i need to keep my wheel cost down. My goal is around $2000 for both sets...

[N420i]

Originally Posted by Insane435

That may be the move. I am going to have to decide if going 255s is worth it for track.

Also, I wonder if rocking the VMRs on track & winter is the way to go or if running the OE Conceptz replicas is better for those scenarios...

I am having difficulty coming up with the best setup here without spending $1400 on each set of wheels... If i could just have one set of wheels I would but with 3 sets of tires, its no feasible so i need to keep my wheel cost down. My goal is around $2000 for both sets...

Why not get a crappy, beater set of 18" rims for the track? Something secondhand, as cheap as you can find. After all they're gonna get beat up just mounting and removing rubber from them, there's the potential for off-track excursions.
By crappy I mean cheap and old, or from a "less cool" brand, not broken or bent. They won't look as cool in the pictures as you pull 80º drifts exiting corners, but it's the cheapest and most convenient option...

[wdeerfield]

why not spend the extra hundred bucks on apex instead of VMR. and this coming from someone who has two sets of VMR. if you plan to use it for the track , apex is the ticket.

[Insane435]

Originally Posted by wdeerfield

why not spend the extra hundred bucks on apex instead of VMR. and this coming from someone who has two sets of VMR. if you plan to use it for the track , apex is the ticket.

After thinking about this whole setup, I am going to just get one set of wheels (staggered 19's) and run Michelin 4S for summer AND track and get a set of 19's tires for winter. It will save me a boat load and allow me to get better wheels. If i feel like. I will think about adding a dedicated set of track wheels in the future.

[MacklinUSOB]

Originally Posted by Insane435

After thinking about this whole setup, I am going to just get one set of wheels (staggered 19's) and run Michelin 4S for summer AND track and get a set of 19's tires for winter. It will save me a boat load and allow me to get better wheels. If i feel like. I will think about adding a dedicated set of track wheels in the future.

For what it's worth, running staggered 19" wheel/tires for track and street duty summers is going to eat up your perceived savings very quickly, and winter tire options on 19" wheels are limited and again considerably more expensive. Moving up from a 245/40/18 PS4S to a 255/35/19 is about 80 bucks more per tire, and without being able to rotate them you'll be buying them more often especially if you are already experiencing excessive outer shoulder wear. Making the concession not to get 18's will likely cost you 500$ or more just to get one set of larger PS4S and winters right off the bat, not to mention the performance benefits of running square 18" tires both on track and through winter.

I would also suggest moving up to an APEX offering over VMR, they aren't much more expensive, especially on group buys, and are far lighter with a more premium finish. I do like VMR but for track duty APEX is the clear winner.

[wdeerfield]

Originally Posted by MacklinUSOB

For what it's worth, running staggered 19" wheel/tires for track and street duty summers is going to eat up your perceived savings very quickly, and winter tire options on 19" wheels are limited and again considerably more expensive. Moving up from a 245/40/18 PS4S to a 255/35/19 is about 80 bucks more per tire, and without being able to rotate them you'll be buying them more often especially if you are already experiencing excessive outer shoulder wear. Making the concession not to get 18's will likely cost you 500$ or more just to get one set of larger PS4S and winters right off the bat, not to mention the performance benefits of running square 18" tires both on track and through winter.

I would also suggest moving up to an APEX offering over VMR, they aren't much more expensive, especially on group buys, and are far lighter with a more premium finish. I do like VMR but for track duty APEX is the clear winner.

i agree. a proper fitment of an 18 will look great with meaty tires for the track while still being able to perform in the winter with a taller sidewall. The cost savings of 18s is also a huge benefit.

[Insane435]

Alright i have changed my mind. It makes sense just to get the 2 sets of wheels, track tires or not.

I am getting Apex 18s for winter/track because i am sure ill end up buying the track tires. The last piece of the puzzle is finding replacement staggered summer wheels. I currently have 19x9.5 with 265/35s in the rear and fitment is spot on.I either need to find another wheel that is the same or figure out if i can afford to run an et33 in the rear. Its so close i cant be sure the 2mm is going to be ok lol. I would be ok with going with a less aggressive offset and run a spacer, but it would have to be at least a 10mm spacer to be hubcentric correct?

[Insane435]

Here is what I think I am going to get:
VMR V803s 19x8.5 ET45 with 10mm spacer & 19x9.5 ET35 no spacer. This gives me the exact fitment i know works on my current setup. Then, for winter, Apex ARC 8 18x8.5 squared ET38. I may need spacers, but its just for track and winter, so i am not too concerned. Both setups are quality wheels that are light, which is key for me. I think I am going to get both sets in black. To me that color just looks the best on both wheels. I may change my mind and go bronze or anthracite on the arc 8s but i have not decided yet.

thoughts?

[alohasurftoad]

VMR offers the V803 wheel in 19x8.5 +35. imo, it'd be better to run this than a +45 with a 10mm spacer.

i would just get the same wheel and tire specs as @wdeerfield https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...hlight=VMR+803 ...on sale right now at m o d bargains for less than $1k/set, in gunmetal or hypersilver only, though.

you will not need spacers for the arc-8, even with 255, i believe @polo08816 tracks and dailys his with 255 square. if you're really hardcore, you can further reduce understeer by widening the front track only with a 10mm spacer on track days. the outer shoulder of the front tire might rub the fenderwell liner at full lock at +28(with spacer). during the winter a wide track will sling snow, ice and debris further up the sides, so i don't see the point there.

estoril blue with bronze arc-8 would look hot

[Insane435]

Originally Posted by alohasurftoad

VMR offers the V803 wheel in 19x8.5 +35. imo, it'd be better to run this than a +45 with a 10mm spacer.

i would just get the same wheel and tire specs as @wdeerfield https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...hlight=VMR+803 ...on sale right now at m o d bargains for less than $1k/set, in gunmetal or hypersilver only, though.

you will not need spacers for the arc-8, even with 255, i believe @polo08816 tracks and dailys his with 255 square. if you're really hardcore, you can further reduce understeer by widening the front track only with a 10mm spacer on track days. the outer shoulder of the front tire might rub the fenderwell liner at full lock at +28(with spacer). during the winter a wide track will sling snow, ice and debris further up the sides, so i don't see the point there.

estoril blue with bronze arc-8 would look hot

I was going to get those and have them paint satin black, but VMR was out of my size for the front and said they were not sure when they would be back in stock. So i ended up going with Forgestar F14s for my Summer wheel. I still need to get a set of 18s now for track/winter.

I would like to get a set of arc 8s but based on the offset i need, they will not be concave at all, which is fine. However, the arc 8s lose some character when theyre not concave. I am debating getting them still along with the EC7s. Its really down to Arc 8s in either black/grey/bronze or EC7 in grey. Not sure what to do!

[wdeerfield]

Originally Posted by Insane435

I was going to get those and have them paint satin black, but VMR was out of my size for the front and said they were not sure when they would be back in stock. So i ended up going with Forgestar F14s for my Summer wheel. I still need to get a set of 18s now for track/winter.

I would like to get a set of arc 8s but based on the offset i need, they will not be concave at all, which is fine. However, the arc 8s lose some character when theyre not concave. I am debating getting them still along with the EC7s. Its really down to Arc 8s in either black/grey/bronze or EC7 in grey. Not sure what to do!

Yea i originally wanted their gunmetal in them but VMR said the same. find it odd a manufacturer had no idea what its own ETA is on its own wheels..

hopefully the forgestars work out for you. based on photos ive seen of them cracking and failing i hope you do not run into any issues.

Have you thought about the sm10s in 18?

[MacklinUSOB]

Originally Posted by wdeerfield

Have you thought about the sm10s in 18?

Highly recommended.

I initially wanted the ARC8's because they're a track BMW staple. The SM-10's offer nearly the same weight savings and look great on the car squared up with proper offsets. I went with 18x8.5 et35 in Anthracite all around and like the concavity. I get so many compliments on them, even people leaving notes on my windshield asking to buy them. I'm considering getting another set for winter/track duty.

[Insane435]

Originally Posted by MacklinUSOB

Highly recommended.

I initially wanted the ARC8's because they're a track BMW staple. The SM-10's offer nearly the same weight savings and look great on the car squared up with proper offsets. I went with 18x8.5 et35 in Anthracite all around and like the concavity. I get so many compliments on them, even people leaving notes on my windshield asking to buy them. I'm considering getting another set for winter/track duty.

i will take a look at the SM 10s as well. I know that I will be for sure getting an Apex wheel simply for the fact that i can track with it. Part of me wants to roll the dice with the brone wheel but i wonder if i could truly live with it for 4-5 months a year...

[Tchao]

Im running square 255/40 on oem Style 397's and it fits fine on SuperSport H&Rs

[.BMW.]

Originally Posted by Tchao

Im running square 255/40 on oem Style 397's

That is wide tires on 8x18" wheels.

Any photos showing how the tires bulging around the wheels?