bootmod3 for BMW F series Vehicles - General Discussion

rjd_F30 · 11-16-2018, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by CandyRedRC46

What a read. Guess I am about all caught up. So from what I have read there is stage 1 for stock exhaust/intercooler/etc and stage 2 for catless downpipe and upgraded intercooler? I am currently somewhere in between that. I have a catless AFE downpipe, 2.25" dp/fp connection bottle neck removed, Supersprint front pipe, Dinan free flow axle back and AFE intake. I don't think I will be touching the intercooler, charge pipes, diverted valve or turbo anytime soon. I am hoping that there is something close to maybe a stage 1.5 ots tune available for me... I should be tuning in a week or two. Thanks for the advice/input.

Your analysis of what's needed for stage 2 is spot on

Stage 1: all stock hardware
Stage 2: high flow (or catless) downpipe and intercooler

That said, you can run stage 2 on the stock intercooler without problems, but the car will be very susceptible to heat soak. It can be done, but I don't recommend it. So, if you don't plan on upgrading the intercooler (which I'd recommend you do) you should probably stick with stage 1, but it won't hurt to try out stage 2.

CandyRedRC46 · 11-16-2018, 11:55 AM

Theres got to be something in between for the time being. I would like to do the intercooler eventually, but its not going to happen anytime soon.

rjd_F30 · 11-16-2018, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by CandyRedRC46

Theres got to be something in between for the time being. I would like to do the intercooler eventually, but its not going to happen anytime soon.

Understandable. Unfortunately it's just stage 1 and 2 for now, so I would just run what your comfortable with. If your comfortable with stage 2 on the stock intercooler and being a bit more susceptible to temperatures, go for it. If not stay on stage 1.

CandyRedRC46 · 11-16-2018, 01:23 PM

Sounds like I'll just play it safe and enjoy stage 1 for a while.

rjd_F30 · 11-16-2018, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CandyRedRC46

Sounds like I'll just play it safe and enjoy stage 1 for a while.

That's what I would do as well. Good idea

lemonchicken · 11-22-2018, 08:47 PM

Black Friday!!!!
Joining the bm3 family with a stock 328!!! Wootttttttt

rjd_F30 · 11-22-2018, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by lemonchicken

Black Friday!!!!
Joining the bm3 family with a stock 328!!! Wootttttttt

Hyyyype! Congrats

FastActionJax · 11-22-2018, 10:49 PM

Nice! Looks like I'll be switching from Dinan to bootmod 3 now! I can't stand looking at my CEL everyday since Dinan doesn't support catless. I keep hearing great things about BMS but have been a little intimidated to Switch, my next question is do I have to have a FMIC to Run stage 2 93 octane with my current mods? (listed below) I have everything else but the FMIC. I don't have any plans of going big turbo and if I can just flash right to that map and not have to buy all the ots maps that would be ideal. Dont really want to miss the deals going on right now but don't want to have to buy an intercooler or all ots maps which I don't need either. If I can just flash to stage 2 and throw the intercooler in for improvement in the next couple months that would be perfect because that's where she would stay.

rjd_F30 · 11-23-2018, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by FastActionJax

If I can just flash to stage 2 and throw the intercooler in for improvement in the next couple months that would be perfect because that's where she would stay.

You can do that. It's not ideal, but it won't hurt the car, per se. It will just heat soak pretty quickly.

CandyRedRC46 · 11-27-2018, 03:18 PM

What the hell I just found out through Facebook that there was a special black Friday promo deal and I missed it. I never saw anything posted on here -_-

Cnoprea · 11-28-2018, 11:14 PM

How do these logs look?

http://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5bff7358d10b43444c103a06

http://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5bff736fd10b43444c103a07

jkoljo · 11-29-2018, 01:39 PM

I had a quick look into the logs. The intake air temperatures look very nice, so your intercooler is doing its job. There is no significant ignition retardation, only a bit on bank 3 but I see that in my car as well, I guess that bank is just a bit sensitive. The air fuel ratios though the pulls look very good and safe for the engine.

The only think I find a bit strange is the boost pressure. It does not fully reach boost target on higher revs. It is not dangerous for the engine, but you could check the system for boost leaks. If there is one, it is minor.

jflow72 · 11-29-2018, 01:47 PM

My guess is he has a pwg. Pwg seems to peak 3k-4K and fall quite a bit in the higher rpms. I have a pwg n20 and it hits target boost mid range and falls to about 14-15 psi at over 6k or so.

jkoljo · 11-29-2018, 01:52 PM

That makes sense, thanks for the input! I have EWG.

rjd_F30 · 11-29-2018, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jkoljo

I had a quick look into the logs. The intake air temperatures look very nice, so your intercooler is doing its job. There is no significant ignition retardation, only a bit on bank 3 but I see that in my car as well, I guess that bank is just a bit sensitive. The air fuel ratios though the pulls look very good and safe for the engine.

The only think I find a bit strange is the boost pressure. It does not fully reach boost target on higher revs. It is not dangerous for the engine, but you could check the system for boost leaks. If there is one, it is minor.

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Originally Posted by jflow72

My guess is he has a pwg. Pwg seems to peak 3k-4K and fall quite a bit in the higher rpms. I have a pwg n20 and it hits target boost mid range and falls to about 14-15 psi at over 6k or so.

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Originally Posted by jkoljo

That makes sense, thanks for the input! I have EWG.

Boost pressure, with the stock turbo, is unlikely to be at target above 4.5k-5k rpms. The stock turbo hits a flow limitation at that speed and with those target values, so a boost deviation of 1-3psi below target is fine and normal. However, his target seems to be a bit low. I run Stage 2 93oct as well and at WOT the target is a constant 22.85psi. Those look like stage one logs. Not sure why his is lower...

Cnoprea · 11-29-2018, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by rjdnyy224

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Originally Posted by jkoljo

I had a quick look into the logs. The intake air temperatures look very nice, so your intercooler is doing its job. There is no significant ignition retardation, only a bit on bank 3 but I see that in my car as well, I guess that bank is just a bit sensitive. The air fuel ratios though the pulls look very good and safe for the engine.

The only think I find a bit strange is the boost pressure. It does not fully reach boost target on higher revs. It is not dangerous for the engine, but you could check the system for boost leaks. If there is one, it is minor.

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Originally Posted by jflow72

My guess is he has a pwg. Pwg seems to peak 3k-4K and fall quite a bit in the higher rpms. I have a pwg n20 and it hits target boost mid range and falls to about 14-15 psi at over 6k or so.

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Originally Posted by jkoljo

That makes sense, thanks for the input! I have EWG.

Boost pressure, with the stock turbo, is unlikely to be at target above 4.5k-5k rpms. The stock turbo hits a flow limitation at that speed and with those target values, so a boost deviation of 1-3psi below target is fine and normal. However, his target seems to be a bit low. I run Stage 2 93oct as well and at WOT the target is a constant 22.85psi. Those look like stage one logs. Not sure why his is lower...

. However, his target seems to be a bit low. I run Stage 2 93oct as well and at WOT the target is a constant 22.85psi. Those look like stage one logs. Not sure why his is lower...[/QUOTE]

Yeah I'm not sure either to be honest. The car runs fine and I have EWG. But could it possibly be a leak?

rjd_F30 · 11-29-2018, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Cnoprea

Yeah I'm not sure either to be honest. The car runs fine and I have EWG. But could it possibly be a leak?

Nope, nothing indicates a boost leak. The only weird thing is the boost target being lower than all the other stage 2 logs I've seen, which would be an issue in the tune, not a mechanical issue with the car.

Cnoprea · 12-01-2018, 09:41 PM

So I did a couple pulls tn for more logs as I just updated to the 4.2 version and wanted to see if I getting closer to boost targets. However when I pulled into the garage I noticed a smell. So I opened the hood and noticed my manifold was red it's not what I would call a lot but is this something to worry about or is it normal after pushing the car so much? The camera didn't capture all the red so there was a bit more than pictured.

rjd_F30 · 12-01-2018, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Cnoprea

So I did a couple pulls tn for more logs as I just updated to the 4.2 version and wanted to see if I getting closer to boost targets. However when I pulled into the garage I noticed a smell. So I opened the hood and noticed my manifold was red it's not what I would call a lot but is this something to worry about or is it normal after pushing the car so much? The camera didn't capture all the red so there was a bit more than pictured.

If you're really ripping it, the manifold and turbo housing can turn red. If that happens, make sure to take it for a cool down lap to avoid burning oil in the turbo. But yah, if you're pushing it hard that's fine. Not sure about the smell though...

meltbox · 12-02-2018, 01:33 PM

The only thing that irks me with this tune is it seems noticeably rougher than stock when cold. Sometimes when warm there are weird vibrations through the cabin from the engine that I don't think were there on the stock tune. I think it happens occasionally when coming to a stop or shifting from park to drive.

Also is it just me or does the car push a lot more pressure in comfort at low RPMs? This doesn't seem like a good idea for longevity in day to day driving as it seems to push lots of torque at low rpms in a drive mode where I really don't need it. It also seems to take a lot more to get the car to downshift in comfort because of this added torque capacity. Is this just placebo on my part?

Don't know if its even possible for them to tune different drive modes to behave as differently as I'd like but I wonder what other people think or if maybe my tune is a little off?

EDIT:
Today it was warmer and maybe I'm crazy but everything felt a lot better.

MrZeeMan · 12-02-2018, 02:07 PM

Help? I get a p0234 "overboost condition". Usually happens at highway speeds when gunning it. Stage 1 n20 pwg. No mods.

Should I online recode?

meltbox · 12-02-2018, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MrZeeMan

Help? I get a p0234 "overboost condition". Usually happens at highway speeds when gunning it. Stage 1 n20 pwg. No mods.

Should I online recode?

If you haven't yet then that's a good first step for any drive-train related errors.

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jkoljo Private 58 Rep 77 Posts Drives: M235i Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: CA & Finland iTrader: (0)	I had a quick look into the logs. The intake air temperatures look very nice, so your intercooler is doing its job. There is no significant ignition retardation, only a bit on bank 3 but I see that in my car as well, I guess that bank is just a bit sensitive. The air fuel ratios though the pulls look very good and safe for the engine. The only think I find a bit strange is the boost pressure. It does not fully reach boost target on higher revs. It is not dangerous for the engine, but you could check the system for boost leaks. If there is one, it is minor.
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Cnoprea Private First Class 50 Rep 184 Posts Drives: 328i N26 Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Troy Michigan iTrader: (0) Garage List 2013 BMW 328i [0.00]	So I did a couple pulls tn for more logs as I just updated to the 4.2 version and wanted to see if I getting closer to boost targets. However when I pulled into the garage I noticed a smell. So I opened the hood and noticed my manifold was red it's not what I would call a lot but is this something to worry about or is it normal after pushing the car so much? The camera didn't capture all the red so there was a bit more than pictured. Attached Images
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meltbox Private First Class 43 Rep 170 Posts Drives: 2014 328xi GT (F34/N20) Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Michigan iTrader: (0)	The only thing that irks me with this tune is it seems noticeably rougher than stock when cold. Sometimes when warm there are weird vibrations through the cabin from the engine that I don't think were there on the stock tune. I think it happens occasionally when coming to a stop or shifting from park to drive. Also is it just me or does the car push a lot more pressure in comfort at low RPMs? This doesn't seem like a good idea for longevity in day to day driving as it seems to push lots of torque at low rpms in a drive mode where I really don't need it. It also seems to take a lot more to get the car to downshift in comfort because of this added torque capacity. Is this just placebo on my part? Don't know if its even possible for them to tune different drive modes to behave as differently as I'd like but I wonder what other people think or if maybe my tune is a little off? EDIT: Today it was warmer and maybe I'm crazy but everything felt a lot better. Last edited by meltbox; 12-02-2018 at 05:03 PM..
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