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That Merc looks really good. Lease rates, for ones I can find, are high though.
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07-19-2019, 05:46 AM | #48 |
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My gut feel on these is we are one generation too early still. These will move quickly in terms of range, speed of charging etc and I suspect buying one in 2-3 years time will give us more choice and a better overall package.
My biggest issues is the number of charging points, i mentioned this before when i pulled up at a motorway services a few months ago (somewhere on the M4) it had 3 chargers, all were taken up and guy was sat waiting for one to free up. Now given the rational that you go for a coffee etc while you wait he was still there and waiting when i left 15min later. Given he had to be there for 30 min or so to charge his once plugged in that put me off there and then. So even if the car tech is there is the UK network ready???? GBR1 |
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Its could turn into the VHS- Betamax war, however European companies seem set on Electric.! |
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07-19-2019, 06:46 AM | #52 |
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I took delivery of our Tesla in March 2017, 200 miles range average.
Since then I've done 37k in total, been up to Edinburgh, down to Southampton, regularly do Leicester to Cardiff/London. Went to north France last summer, and have a massive road trip to Norway planned once my daughter is only enough to tolerate really long road trips. My daily work/nursery run is 10 miles, the majority of the mileage we've done in the EV is family weekend/holiday trips. Its a different mindset from petrol cars, and there is clearly a massive degree of change/un certainty. But having lived with a 24kWh 70 mile range Leaf for 14k miles range/charger anxiety is something I've not experienced for a long long time. |
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Google the career of the founder for founder of this website, I give you one guess which company/field he worked in for over a decade of his life. Robert L. Bradley, Jr. The amount of 'fake news' on EVs is crazy, but not be unexpected, a shift to EVs will make some of the biggest companies today almost irrelevant. |
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My view on EVs is that as long as the car fits what you need in all other respects then the EV propulsion becomes an advantage. Being able to 'fill up' on your driveway, for a fraction of diesel/petrol cost, sounds like heaven. Long runs (very long runs in the case of Tesla) just need a bit of planning - but that's no bad thing anyway. Tesla itself *may* run into issues, but it won't disappear. If the value of the company was ever low enough, one of the majors would snaffle it up. Not saying you are wrong and don't want to come across as hypocritical. I wanted a big SUV and drove the Model X. For me, I just couldn't live with the perceived interior quality and features at the price they were charging at the time. I can perfectly see why people buy them, though. If I wanted a mid-size 3-box saloon to do 5k-15k a year, a model 3 would be very near the top of my list. Below 50k, Tesla's interior quality becomes much less of an issue.
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If you want my long term opinion, when the big boys catch up Tesla will move away from car manufacturer and flog their batteries, recharging and technical expertise. Can't see it happening just yet, but they are such a niche car maker, the others will just overwhelm them. They have other interests as well aside from cars. Just my 2p though.
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But I cannot say you made a bad decision unless you really really need to change cars sitting on your hands is by far the best thing to do. There's loads of exciting stuff coming down the line from just about everyone, another 12-18 months will see a much mature market for EVs. |
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With others in that ev cars need another generation or two as does infrastructure. We’ve some seriously high performance energy density motors coming out in a couple of years, combined with some changes in chemistry, that’s when it goes mainstream.
Companies are now only just beginning to design proper battery systems rather than just use bulk 16500’s or whatever they are. That will make a big difference as they are being designed for a proper duty cycle and weather loading rather than a theoretical 20c constant. There’s also lots of tech which will filter over from the e aircraft development, again power weight density will increase massively as they scale up. As for being mad, if you like it and it fits your style of journeys then go for it. I’ve tried to convince myself but I do 230 mile round trips a couple of times a week so there’s no ev I could use between November and March without fear of range anxiety. The thought of spending 30 or 40 minutes at the services queuing to charge up for another 30 or 40 minutes twice a week is not compelling.
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Well we had our 328i estate for 6 years and it provided reliable transport for this old git - a Morris Traveller for the Millennial pensioner surely or Cortina for the Millennial Rep!
I swapped it for an I Pace and could not be more delighted, nicer to drive, goes like shit of a shovel and no endless list of extra to spec - all in the base package on the Jag (well nearly). A clean sheet design to take full advantage of the electric power train. By contract VW and Mercedes seemed to have just grabbed an existing SUV, ripped out the stinking diesel and stuck batteries and an electric motor in them! So far home charging with a 7KW outlet (£500 grant from the government to install) has met all our needs. doing a full charge at home (240 mile range) costs around £7. If I live to 140 and keep the Jag it will pay for itself. I have taken the free electrical charge at the local Waitrose and tested the local high speed charge. On longer journeys the SatNav does indicate when you will need a recharge and where the closest charge points are- will also tell you if they are available and working. The Tesla engineer who installed our Powerwall a couple of years ago arrived in a Model S and thought it was nice enough but could not get the thought that it was an iPad with a car attached from my mind so dismissed it as an option. Get a Jag! |
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From the finance view actually deprecation is by far the biggest cost to car ownership, a 5 year old 335i would loss alot is in depreciation than a new Model 3. Equally our Lexus is currently only doing 5k per year, thats barely over £600 a year on fuel, and with it been £20/VED, a new Model 3 luxury car tax payment is more!! However when I see reviews like this I am tempted to try and persuade my wife to swap the Lexus for a Model 3. Point to point on public roads I cannot see anything you can buy been any quicker, the lack of 'drama' Tiff complains about is more AWD/amazing TC on the Tesla than anything else. I don't miss the noise or the gears in the my 335i, but I do miss the playful back end, and the respect you had to give the loud pedal when exiting a corner with bad camber/rain. The AWD system on our X is perfect for family duties, blistering quick, safe, predictable, all the stuff you want when ferrying around the brood, but for final bit of adrenaline you need RWD, hence I personally would order a RWD big battery Model 3 rather than the AWD version even though AWD is quicker without doubt. |
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