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After a GE the elected party forms a government and governs the country (or attempts to !). The electorate have (usually) several years to experience life with the governing party in power : did it hold true to its manifesto ? did it substantially change taxes ? have key investments been made and are the results clear ? etc. The fundamental difference with Ref2 is that the result of Ref1 haven't been implemented yet. People are still relying on predictions, not realities. Spin, not facts. (awaits the Remain torrent of "facts ? they lied !"). At this stage I'm becoming less fixated on the outcome and far more concerned about the blatant disregard for democracy that MPs are demonstrating. I find it truly unbelievable. There was a vote, and the result of the vote hasn't been respected. How will the electorate trust the outcome of any significant future vote i.e. a GE ? Call for GE2 the following week if the result doesn't go their way, citing Ref2 as precedent ? We live in crazy times. Politics in this country has become a cynical game, played by MPs acting with impunity. Some may argue that it's always been that way, but I think it's developed into something far worse.
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It is a little strange having new laws formed by other parties, admittedly, but desperate times... It is time for Boris to go. The other parties are now in a position to form a GNU, if they can reach agreement, extend article 50, and then call an election. |
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But at least when (if!) we leave we know where we stand and can start making concrete plans . |
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09-06-2019, 06:46 AM | #27 |
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Every time someone predicts an outcome related to BREXIT something entirely different seems to happen!
The Labour, Lib-Dems and SNP's plan to avoid an election and no-deal relies on an extension being granted by the EU. Personally, I think that is far from certain, having seen Verholdstadt tear into Tusk last time.... It would be understandable if they did not want a trapped / desperate Boris with a veto over EU business. We could end up out on the 31 October because in reality it is not the UK's choice unless Art.50 is revoked.. Groundhog day anyone? |
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Quite.
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It is quite funny how everyone feels able to justify their position through some form of democracy.. amazing how one relatively simple concept can lead to very different "principles" and justification of certain behaviour, decisions and actions.
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I know sums up the situation with Labour really..Dont forget thats the women that was sneering at an England flag hanging from a window while campaigning during the World cup..or Euros cant recall, but she lost her position at the time over it....shes fucking horrible.
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Yep, she's right at the bottom of the IQ scale along with Dianne Abbott.
Her ineptitude is only slightly more staggering than the fact the we pay people like this to be in parliament.
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Her expression as Fiona Bruce develops her question is priceless. One of the best "Oh f**k, here we go" moments in a long time. She knows that Labour's confusing and confused position on Brexit is risible and has struggled to tow the party line for years.
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I heard a radio interview with Lisa Nandy (Lab MP) who said if the WA was brought back she'd now vote for it. If it did come back for a meanginful vote, it COULD get through (though Boris purged c.20 tories who would have also voted for it!). I suspect Boris will try for that (getting some tweaks) but he won't get anything substantive given he's now got zero negotiating power. Either that or we'll find him in a ditch. |
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I don’t see how a GE will solve this issues, I think Labour will be demolished which is a good thing in my mind but with the negative that the Brexit party comes out with quite a few seats. Lib Dem’s gain which makes remain stronger etc, it will be just shuffling the pack with no real change of what’s left in the deck.
After all we are in this position for the simple reason Cameron was trying to stop Farage gaining any parliamentary seats, now Johnson is opening the door to that. This is scary as the guy is a total idiot, at least on par with JC.. Either way the result wouldn’t give a mandate on Brexit as in theory a GE is about ALL of the parties policies not just Brexit.. The only way to give a direct mandate to the government is Ref2, as many have said we don’t really want this however this is the only was to have a clear direct mandate without the other policies muddying the waters.. |
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They are all a bunch of useless bankers. W.
Boris showed promise in doing SOMETHING at least but over played it and marshalled the remain lot together. I really can see Theresa May's deal with a few tweaks around the back stop coming back and getting through. |
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https://www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/...mpression=true
The largest newspaper in Canada on Boris Johnson and the state of UK politics. How others see us, eh?!!
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Rudd gone now as well, this current Tory party is now beyond the pale, I've voted for them for the last 30 years but this is the end, what's happening now is a disgrace and they've lost their minds.
The party has been taken over by a cabal of "no dealers" which I can only compare to Militant back in the 80's in terms of a group of people who wish to destroy a party and a country in order to meet their aims. It's a sad day when the Tories make Corbyn and McDonnell look reasonable.
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