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      08-22-2019, 09:55 AM   #1
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Does coding trigger the flash counter?

I apologize in advance because I'm sure this question has been asked many times, but I can't seem to find a definitive answer.

Does FDL coding trigger the flash counter? For example, if I use E-Sys or Bimmercode to turn on folding mirrors, disable disclaimers, disable seat belt chime, etc. will this trigger the flash counter? Or does this only apply to flashes to the DME? I also saw somewhere that each ECU module has its own flash counter, is this true?

My car is a lease and I don't want to get screwed. Although I have a mod friendly dealer, I don't want to get my car flagged when they hook my car up in a few months for its 20K mile inspection.

Assuming I revert all coding to stock before bringing it in, do I have anything to worry about?
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If you have a mod-friendly dealer - just ask them if they will allow you to code those quality of life changes. Skip the guessing game.
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"Coding" doesn't change the flash counter, only flashing the ECU's original software triggers a tamper protection code within the vehicle's EPROM, as it was designed by Bosch to do. Not just with BMWs but with all manufactures that uses their propriety hardware.

Actual "coding" is writing and programming of new CAFD files in BMW modules. But "coding" in the Bimmercode sense is a misnomer. It's really just utilizing the programming in a APP designed for activation and disablement of certain features, by changing the values, within the already existing CAFD files. With Bimmercode, there is no actual software changes or anything being rewritten, so it doesn't trigger a tamper code.

There is nothing nefarious about it, other than the fact than some features are disabled by region, probably due to some archaic regulation. The Flexray network within your vehicle is engineered to allow these such changes, by the dealer or others.

Bimmercode is simply just allowing you access to do just what it was naturally designed for; changes of various features without the need for different hardware.

I have been using Bimmercode and ISTA+ for many years and various different vehicles and from my experience, "coding" doesn't leave any trails or red flags within the modules, other than the user intended change.

Also, when ISTA is used by the dealer for changes, the log is saved in a BMW cloud-based databank and not within the ECU. Bimmercode or an bootleg copy of ISTA, neither is connected to a server, so no footprint.

TL : DR: Coding is 100% safe as long as you have a rough idea of WTF you're doing.
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+1 Well described by Poochie.

Coding is not flashing. It does not change the code of the software or overwrite it. It is purely changing parameters of settings within and already provided by the software.
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"Coding" doesn't change the flash counter, only flashing the ECU's original software triggers a tamper protection code within the vehicle's EPROM, as it was designed by Bosch to do. Not just with BMWs but with all manufactures that uses their propriety hardware.

Actual "coding" is writing and programming of new CAFD files in BMW modules. But "coding" in the Bimmercode sense is a misnomer. It's really just utilizing the programming in a APP designed for activation and disablement of certain features, by changing the values, within the already existing CAFD files. With Bimmercode, there is no actual software changes or anything being rewritten, so it doesn't trigger a tamper code.

There is nothing nefarious about it, other than the fact than some features are disabled by region, probably due to some archaic regulation. The Flexray network within your vehicle is engineered to allow these such changes, by the dealer or others.

Bimmercode is simply just allowing you access to do just what it was naturally designed for; changes of various features without the need for different hardware.

I have been using Bimmercode and ISTA+ for many years and various different vehicles and from my experience, "coding" doesn't leave any trails or red flags within the modules, other than the user intended change.

Also, when ISTA is used by the dealer for changes, the log is saved in a BMW cloud-based databank and not within the ECU. Bimmercode or an bootleg copy of ISTA, neither is connected to a server, so no footprint.

TL : DR: Coding is 100% safe as long as you have a rough idea of WTF you're doing.
Thank you. I'm assuming this applies to E-Sys too? So long as I am only changing values within the existing CAFD files but not adding or deleting code?
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"Coding" doesn't change the flash counter, only flashing the ECU's original software triggers a tamper protection code within the vehicle's EPROM, as it was designed by Bosch to do. Not just with BMWs but with all manufactures that uses their propriety hardware.

Actual "coding" is writing and programming of new CAFD files in BMW modules. But "coding" in the Bimmercode sense is a misnomer. It's really just utilizing the programming in a APP designed for activation and disablement of certain features, by changing the values, within the already existing CAFD files. With Bimmercode, there is no actual software changes or anything being rewritten, so it doesn't trigger a tamper code.

There is nothing nefarious about it, other than the fact than some features are disabled by region, probably due to some archaic regulation. The Flexray network within your vehicle is engineered to allow these such changes, by the dealer or others.

Bimmercode is simply just allowing you access to do just what it was naturally designed for; changes of various features without the need for different hardware.

I have been using Bimmercode and ISTA+ for many years and various different vehicles and from my experience, "coding" doesn't leave any trails or red flags within the modules, other than the user intended change.

Also, when ISTA is used by the dealer for changes, the log is saved in a BMW cloud-based databank and not within the ECU. Bimmercode or an bootleg copy of ISTA, neither is connected to a server, so no footprint.

TL : DR: Coding is 100% safe as long as you have a rough idea of WTF you're doing.
Thank you. I'm assuming this applies to E-Sys too? So long as I am only changing values within the existing CAFD files but not adding or deleting code?
Yes, that's correct, they're all the same just different tools to do the same job..
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If I use ESYS to update/flash the ECU, would that void the warranty or trigger any red flags?
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