[pkimM3r]

I am still amazed at some ppl on this forum. Pretty soon this place is gonna be full of wrong information. Some people need to learn a little more about shit before writing.

If you like having traction in slippery conditions get xdrive. If you like 0-60 times in a straight line (which means absolutely nothing to guys serious about performance driving but which 99% of car buyers swear by) then get xdrive. This is getting ridiculous.

If you want an awd car that can actually perform, do not get an f30. Lol. S4, evo, sti will kill this car in every way for less.

[KevRyd]

Sorry that was MSport Suspension

Kevin

Originally Posted by jddssc121

Then I am driving a car that doesn't exist .

[rallybull]

Originally Posted by jddssc121

not sure on the actual weight. Once you throw in the flywheel and clutch, I am not sure how much weight savings you're actually getting. You might be better off skipping breakfast or not wearing socks

yeah... I drank a bottle of milk of magnesia last night and my car felt faster today

[KevRyd]

Kind of the wrong forum to tell ppl that the F30 Xdrive has no performance, especially given that it looks like it may out-perform the Rwd.

Kevin

Originally Posted by pkim1079

I am still amazed at some ppl on this forum. Pretty soon this place is gonna be full of wrong information. Some people need to learn a little more about shit before writing.

If you like having traction in slippery conditions get xdrive. If you like 0-60 times in a straight line (which means absolutely nothing to guys serious about performance driving but which 99% of car buyers swear by) then get xdrive. This is getting ridiculous.

If you want an awd car that can actually perform, do not get an f30. Lol. S4, evo, sti will kill this car in every way for less.

[Powaup]

Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen

I think trap speeds were already explained.

a 1/4 mile pass is 1320 ft. It takes you time to go from 0 to crossing that marker at 1320 ft. The time, that is referred to as your ET or ELAPSED TIME.

When you cross that line and register the ET, the speed you are traveling when you register it is your TRAP SPEED.

Power to the wheels, is the power that makes it to the ground after all the losses associates with a drivetrain like transmission, axles etc.

A torque converter found in an automatic transmission saps a small amount of power more than a manual transmission. This allow for more power to reach the ground.

More power to the ground is best represented by trap speeds, not necessarily by ET. ET and 0-60 is very traction dependent.

Example:

High powered front wheel drive cars. I grew up on them. They are very difficult to launch and so I had terrible 0-60 times but could plant the power at higher speeds, making for roll on races or races from a high speed rolling start. A cars roll on prowess is better indicated by trap speed.

So my FWD car might do 0-60 in 6.0 seconds, ET 14.2 but Trap at 105mph
My RWD car might do 0-60 in 5.4 seconds, ET 14.2 but trap at 100mph.

So racing, well if I was in the RWD car I would want to race the FWD from a dead stop where I have the advantage. If I am in the FWD car, I ask to race from a "roll", maybe 30-100.

Make sense?

YEAP! Thanks for explaining trap speed is basically 1/4 mile speed which is a better way to compare cars with different drivetrain

[Kayani_1]

Nice acceleration results. Now they should offer 320hp/332 lb=ft standard on all F30/F32 cars for 2014. Because having same power since 2007 is a bit stale.

Once again it confirms that the new electric steering sucks and needs to be reworked and recalibrated extensively to bring back the old BMW steering feel magic.

Last but not least the interior materials used on dash and back seat area look a bit cheaper feel wise.

[M.Suka]

Good numbers, but would like to see how the RWD would fair.

[Presario]

Originally Posted by M.Suka

Good numbers, but would like to see how the RWD would fair.

I second that. Now can we please get one of the mags to test a 335i with PPK and M perf suspension?!? Sick and tired of hearing them bash the F30.

[KevRyd]

Keep hanging your hat on the steering, it's way over-blown and I guess the only bullet an E9X owner has.

Kevin

Originally Posted by Kayani_1

Once again it confirms that the new electric steering sucks and needs to be reworked and recalibrated extensively to bring back the old BMW steering feel magic.

[Powaup]

Originally Posted by Kayani_1

Nice acceleration results. Now they should offer 320hp/332 lb=ft standard on all F30/F32 cars for 2014. Because having same power since 2007 is a bit stale.

Once again it confirms that the new electric steering sucks and needs to be reworked and recalibrated extensively to bring back the old BMW steering feel magic.

Last but not least the interior materials used on dash and back seat area look a bit cheaper feel wise.

Apparently they keep them 300/300 for insurance purposes, that is according to other people on this forum

[KevRyd]

M Performance Suspension would not make that much of a difference to the reviewer.

Kevin

Originally Posted by Presario

I second that. Now can we please get one of the mags to test a 335i with PPK and M perf suspension?!? Sick and tired of hearing them bash the F30.

[Presario]

Originally Posted by KevRyd

M Performance Suspension would not make that much of a difference to the reviewer.

Kevin

How so? He says "steering is precise but feels slightly overboosted" and continues to write "The sedan exhibits a fair amount of body roll when pushed to the limit. Some staffers felt that the suspension tuning was a bit on the soft side..." That leads me to believe the majority of his issues are with the suspension and not the steering.

[M.Suka]

Two words, Sway bars!

[Presario]

Originally Posted by M.Suka

Two words, Sway bars!

And yes, I def want sway bars! But I'm thinking of factory available options for them to test. Hope M-Performance division gives us some more goodies.

[M.Suka]

Coming from a E36 and 3 E46's the F30 is very soft I can't not lie, one thing for sure my wife enjoys the feel of the suspension, as she would constantly complain that my E46 coupe felt like it was hurting her kidneys lol, but my E46 had a ton of mods including a modded suspension, but I on the other hand loved the feel and confidence I had with that car and fit me like a glove.

Don't fret because the F30/F32 has plenty of potential once more proper suspension mods become available, BMW is trying to appeal to the masses that are buying these cars like Hot cakes.

[Presario]

Originally Posted by M.Suka

Coming from a E36 and 3 E46's the F30 is very soft I can't not lie, one thing for sure my wife enjoys the feel of the suspension, as she would constantly complain that my E46 coupe felt like it was hurting her kidneys lol, but my E46 had a ton of mods including a modded suspension, but I on the other hand loved the feel and confidence I had with that car and fit me like a glove.

Don't fret because the F30/F32 has plenty of potential once more proper suspension mods become available, BMW is trying to appeal to the masses that are buying these cars like Hot cakes.

Very well said, M.Suka! My E46 330CI was lowered as well and I do miss that feeling. Hope to get some of that sensation back with the M Perf suspension upgrade.

[buildbright]

Originally Posted by KevRyd

Kind of the wrong forum to tell ppl that the F30 Xdrive has no performance, especially given that it looks like it may out-perform the Rwd.

Kevin

X-Drive is not built to have a performance advantage. The Xdrive F30 does not out perform the RWD version period. The extra weight, and higher center of gravity does not help the handling. Don't get me wrong it works great but there is a reason why the 1M, M3 and M5, and M6 are RWD.

[B///MWGuy]

Originally Posted by buildbright

X-Drive is not built to have a performance advantage. The Xdrive F30 does not out perform the RWD version period. The extra weight, and higher center of gravity does not help the handling. Don't get me wrong it works great but there is a reason why the 1M, M3 and M5, and M6 are RWD.

Not really. The M series have tradition of RWD. It's target market doesn't want AWD. That's why BMW is not making M series AWD.

Now, technology changed and despite of gaining more weight, the car is faster due to better traction and better efficiency. Period.

If you don't believe me, search the web. Look for proven results.

[300hp]

Originally Posted by fyun89

Not really. The M series have tradition of RWD. It's target market doesn't want AWD. That's why BMW is not making M series AWD.

Now, technology changed and despite of gaining more weight, the car is faster due to better traction and better efficiency. Period.

If you don't believe me, search the web. Look for proven results.

+1

The 435i xdrive with PPK will be even much better given its lower center of gravity.

This was actually one of the better reviews of the F30, it seems people missed some non performance comments MT made, which were overall very positive.

[Pure]

0.87 forces g bad result
I do not understand, because BMW does not adjust the suspension specifically for the 335i .
Shoulden harden more spring and dampers.
The 328i with manual transmission, well tested by Motor Trend gave force data 0.90 G.
Data are ridiculous 335i M performance Power kit.

[KevRyd]

Not built to have a performance advantage over what? a RWD?

So lets re-cap:

Your car sucks, but it works great.

You are aware that with adaptive suspension the car is stiffer than the Sport suspension.

You are aware that the car is basically 90% of the time a RWD car.

And as I have said in the past, the F30 is no M

Kevin

Originally Posted by buildbright

X-Drive is not built to have a performance advantage. The Xdrive F30 does not out perform the RWD version period. The extra weight, and higher center of gravity does not help the handling. Don't get me wrong it works great but there is a reason why the 1M, M3 and M5, and M6 are RWD.

[KevRyd]

So is this all the forum is good for:

F30 vs E90
MT vs AT
328i vs 335i
RWD vs AWD
F30 vs M (Really)

Do you really think all the body roll for the F30 is elimnated by the BMW suspension kit? Read the posts, most people are avoiding the M Perf Suspension because it is expensive and does very little and opting for 3rd party.

Do you think it is a fair assesment that all cars will exibit some sort of negative behaviour when "At the Limit". Is that not what makes it the limit?

(Not directed at you):

Did you notice that the steering feel was fine but only slightly over-boosted?


Kevin

Originally Posted by Presario

How so? He says "steering is precise but feels slightly overboosted" and continues to write "The sedan exhibits a fair amount of body roll when pushed to the limit. Some staffers felt that the suspension tuning was a bit on the soft side..." That leads me to believe the majority of his issues are with the suspension and not the steering.