[chenry]

Gents

**Disclaimer**
This is a technical question - looking for objective information and not a subjective pissing match about one vs the other nor am I writing this question for a discussion about who's HP is biggest :-)

Question:
Are each of these companies essentially approaching tuning the B58 in the same manner? The only real difference being the actual tune that each company writes (one mans code vs anothers) or are there subtle differences between their individual approaches?

Some people were waiting for the MP tune to hit the market (me, I'm an early adopter) while others were waiting on MG and now I see Bootmod is rolling out for our platform....is this just personal preference (Ford vs Chevy)? Educate me

Thanks!

[Jayf30]

I'm interested as well

[Brett530]

I was going to ask a similar question. My assumption is that experienced tuners of turbo cars all evaluate and tweak the same set of engine parameters and I doubt there is any secret sauce involved. I also assume that most are trying to achieve the most power without compromising reliability, while maintaining smooth predictable power delivery. There is also the issue of finding the right tune for your hardware bolt-ons.

I only have 7k on my 340, but I was so impatient I signed up for the MG Flasher beta - still waiting for the cable to arrive. My decision was made mostly on the value and flexibility of their offering (maps & options), combined with their responsive customer service. Time will tell if I someone else's flash will make me regret my decision, but I don't think there is some secret that only one tune company is going to figure out.

Just my $0.02

[Nugget]

I wouldn't expect big differences in the final tune but instead pick based on the flashing platform and support.
I currently run a MP tune which makes good power but after sales support is basically non existent and there is no way to log and make sure the tune is safe.

I asked him for months to send a revised tune with cold start turned off (like I initially asked for), and when he finally did he took it upon himself to also update it to the new "stage 2.5" tune (which I suspect is probably on the ragged edge) and added a bunch of over run burbles which I didn't ask for. I have been asking questions about it for 8 weeks with no reply.

I am thinking I will switch to BM3 or MHD when it's available as they have the ability to log and much better support.

[B58togo]

Air, fuel, boost, timing. Those are the four key power makers on a boosted car; there are no secrets. Anyone who's making substantially more than any other tuner is just pushing the safety net. You'll now see Mission's prices drop drastically since MG Flasher is in the arena so low, price wise, and PTF will likely charge the same as the N55/S55 for BM3 ($595 with one map, or $645 with all three; Stage 1, 2, e85). Mission currently charges $1,150 for just Stage 2 with M-Boot and burbles. They also charge $499 for trans flash. XHP will be releasing a trans flash soon for ~$350. No one in their right mind is going to pay substantially higher prices for the same results and poor customer service. I'll go BM3 for sure.

[Vinnie Stix]

Originally Posted by Nugget

I wouldn't expect big differences in the final tune but instead pick based on the flashing platform and support.
I currently run a MP tune which makes good power but after sales support is basically non existent and there is no way to log and make sure the tune is safe.

I asked him for months to send a revised tune with cold start turned off (like I initially asked for), and when he finally did he took it upon himself to also update it to the new "stage 2.5" tune (which I suspect is probably on the ragged edge) and added a bunch of over run burbles which I didn't ask for. I have been asking questions about it for 8 weeks with no reply.

I am thinking I will switch to BM3 or MHD when it's available as they have the ability to log and much better support.

No response to emails...WTF...I'm an early adopter...I have money to spend but I want service after the sale...Really was looking forward to the MP trans flash but their customer service just blows!

[B58 parts]

I believe BM3 allows you to edit the map. ? That's what I'm into.

Sprinkle some timing up top, crank up the boost... 35 PSI

[chenry]

Objective and just technical please - thanks!

[MTWO]

BM3 gives you ability to custom tune to your liking. I have it on my M2 and its amazing. Flashing is extremely fast compared to anything else out there by far. Their logging is incredible and so many tuners providing custom tuning with it. You’re also not stuck to Android. I use my laptop when customizing and my iPad Mini to flash over WiFi and run the live dashboard. Really looking forward to bm3 OTS numbers. I’m looking into jumping into a new 2020 Supra.

[jalkster]

BM3 is the true and trusted way to go. Theres a reason they waited so long to release. It has a super user friendly interface, so no calling your tuner who doesnt want to talk to you

[B58]

BM3 seems to make a lot of power based on their iG posts with different model BMW's. I'm not sure how the B58 will be, but hopefully it's impressive.

[FSociety]

Originally Posted by jalkster

BM3 is the true and trusted way to go. Theres a reason they waited so long to release. It has a super user friendly interface, so no calling your tuner who doesnt want to talk to you

Originally Posted by MTWO

BM3 gives you ability to custom tune to your liking. I have it on my M2 and its amazing. Flashing is extremely fast compared to anything else out there by far. Their logging is incredible and so many tuners providing custom tuning with it. You’re also not stuck to Android. I use my laptop when customizing and my iPad Mini to flash over WiFi and run the live dashboard. Really looking forward to bm3 OTS numbers. I’m looking into jumping into a new 2020 Supra.

Been enjoying bm3 since Nov 2016 when it was beta for N55 and made me fall in love with my car at that time. 2yrs later wow the growth it has gone thru you guys!
Now in my M3 was able to transfer my license & enjoy my car even more. Other platforms are playing catch up and still do not offer all the features we get with bm3 at no extra cost.

[RTPenland]

Originally Posted by FSociety

Been enjoying bm3 since Nov 2016 when it was beta for N55 and made me fall in love with my car at that time. 2yrs later wow the growth it has gone thru you guys!
Now in my M3 was able to transfer my license & enjoy my car even more. Other platforms are playing catch up and still do not offer all the features we get with bm3 at no extra cost.

okay so trying to keep OP title in mind.....objectively speaking you've

• experienced "wow growth"
• were able to transfer a license (that's cool - when does that end) -how many BMWs can you apply your single flash to at no cost?
• all these features....what features?

This will all be good to know - thanks!

[RTPenland]

Originally Posted by jalkster

BM3 is the true and trusted way to go. Theres a reason they waited so long to release. It has a super user friendly interface, so no calling your tuner who doesnt want to talk to you

what is that reason?

[RTPenland]

Originally Posted by B58

BM3 seems to make a lot of power based on their iG posts with different model BMW's. I'm not sure how the B58 will be, but hopefully it's impressive.

You think more than JRAuto? I trusted them back in the day as a BMW Diesel tuner

[kern417]

If you want to know details and trends based on tuner, check the N55 forums. There's a lot of feedback and reviews based on how the tunes are generally done. Like others said, most of it will be invisible to us. Some add more boost, some add more timing. I don't think any of us want to spend 1000s switching tunes over +/- 20hp.

The main thing to focus on is customer service and options. They'll all perform well when things go right, but you want someone that will take ownership of your issues if/when things go wrong.

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by kern417

The main thing to focus on is customer service and options. They'll all perform well when things go right, but you want someone that will take ownership of your issues if/when things go wrong.

Good advice!

Mike

[B58]

Originally Posted by RTPenland

You think more than JRAuto? I trusted them back in the day as a BMW Diesel tuner

I never heard of JRAuto until now and i don't care for crank HP numbers i like the WHP numbers posted up.... that's just me.

[GT500R]

Originally Posted by B58

I never heard of JRAuto until now and i don't care for crank HP numbers i like the WHP numbers posted up.... that's just me.

And I like real world results, that’s why i like 1/4 mile times ... and that’s just me

[FSociety]

Originally Posted by GT500R

And I like real world results, that’s why i like 1/4 mile times ... and that’s just me

And I like Dragy results like 0-60, 1/4 mile, 1/2 mile and 60-130 lol

[B58]

Originally Posted by FSociety

And I like Dragy results like 0-60, 1/4 mile, 1/2 mile and 60-130 lol

I did a 12.01@120.71 mph & 7.95@96.68 mph with a bad 2.18 60' with my current setup using Dragy

[B58togo]

Originally Posted by B58

I did a 12.01@120.71 mph & 7.95@96.68 mph with a bad 2.18 60' with my current setup using Dragy

That's an awesome trap, both 1/8 and 1/4. Bet you'd run 11.5 on some drag radials. That meth really ups the power!