News: BMW 330i, 340i, 430i and 440i Coming with B48 and B58 Engines and LCI Refresh

hans007 · 07-09-2014, 04:11 PM

Its not like the *40 is new.

There is a 640i and 740i and they both make "320HP" and use the n55. I would guess this new B58 will put out about the same, and it will just align the numbering up again.

falar · 07-09-2014, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Gastoys

Can we get a 350i (4.4 turbo V8 - 445hp/480tq) with 9sp ZF transmission and LSD?

Man a 350i would be my dream car. I thought long and hard about a 550i before I ordered my 335i and the raw power and straight line acceleration were tempting but I had to go with the better all around performance (braking, handling) of the 335i.

r3dbimmer89 · 07-09-2014, 04:30 PM

The B58 most likely will be around 320-330 HP with similar torque numbers. They wouldn't let the N55B30 M2 be less powerful than a 340i and that is rumored to be around 365-75 HP.

It's funny that they're sticking the N55B30 in the M2, which leads me to believe that these new modular engines are much cheaper to make and can't handle the extra power like the N54 or N55.

G82Dude · 07-09-2014, 05:12 PM

And what about the diesels? 35d has been running the 40d engine (with increased output) for a while, yet they still call it 35d...

dtn · 07-09-2014, 05:38 PM

By the time we have a 340i as an entry model, hopefully we won't be driving cars anymore, we'll be flying them.

olinjohnston · 07-09-2014, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by richardg

Miss the days when designation matched up with engine displacement.

You mean like the turbocharged 3.4 liter "745i" in 1984, the 4.4 liter "540i" in 1997, the 2.5 liter "323i" in 1999, and the 3.0 liter "325i" in 2006? (+ many others)

The "days" you're talking about only existed for a few cars at very specific points in time...

clbmw · 07-09-2014, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by r3dbimmer89

The B58 most likely will be around 320-330 HP with similar torque numbers. They wouldn't let the N55B30 M2 be less powerful than a 340i and that is rumored to be around 365-75 HP.

It's funny that they're sticking the N55B30 in the M2, which leads me to believe that these new modular engines are much cheaper to make and can't handle the extra power like the N54 or N55.

The M3 and M4 are less powerful than the 550i afaik so that line of thinking isn't necessarily true.

And also M don't start out with a power figure in mind if I remember correctly.

Logically the top end 3 and 4 standard cars are likely to align with S4, S5 and the C400 AMG Sport so we are looking at 335BHP plus as a guess.

Sharp_Cai · 07-09-2014, 06:48 PM

It is the trend. Old one goes away and new one comes out. Nothing special at all. When you look back in 10 - 15 years, you will find out how old this BXX engine is. I have no problem with the N55 engine I have as long as it runs everyday. 30HP+ really doesn't make a lot of difference. 10 years ago E46 M3 only has only 300HP, and ppl still love it now days.

arc1880 · 07-09-2014, 07:28 PM

Sucks for people who just bought a new car.

(340i Owner) What's a N55 335i?
(335i Owner) It's the same as your B58 340i.
(340i Owner) But mine has 5 more I's than yours.
(335i Owner) No it's the same.
(340i Owner) But mine's like a bomber.
(335i Owner) Alright fine. People who have N54's suck.
(340i Owner) Okay I agree!

Vegetable · 07-09-2014, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Caught Looking

The 360i will run circles around the competition

DVC · 07-09-2014, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by arc1880

Sucks for people who just bought a new car.

(340i Owner) What's a N55 335i?
(335i Owner) It's the same as your B58 340i.
(340i Owner) But mine has 5 more I's than yours.
(335i Owner) No it's the same.
(340i Owner) But mine's like a bomber.
(335i Owner) Alright fine. People who have N54's suck.
(340i Owner) Okay I agree!

Lol... especially at "but mine has 5 more 'i's than yours"

SickFinga · 07-09-2014, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by olinjohnston

You mean like the turbocharged 3.4 liter "745i" in 1984, the 4.4 liter "540i" in 1997, the 2.5 liter "323i" in 1999, and the 3.0 liter "325i" in 2006? (+ many others)

The "days" you're talking about only existed for a few cars at very specific points in time...

1980 320i with a 1.8l
1989 535i with 3.4l
1996 750il with 5.4l
1996 850CSi with 5.6l
1996 318i with 1.9l
2000 320i with 2.2l

People talking about the "days" usually the least informed

ybbiz34 · 07-09-2014, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by alpinweiss 335i

Love the new 330i/340i monikers. They better bring a decent power bump if they're going to play that game and compete with Mercedes C400.

And the Mercedes C450.

Sharp_Cai · 07-09-2014, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by arc1880

Sucks for people who just bought a new car.

(340i Owner) What's a N55 335i?
(335i Owner) It's the same as your B58 340i.
(340i Owner) But mine has 5 more I's than yours.
(335i Owner) No it's the same.
(340i Owner) But mine's like a bomber.
(335i Owner) Alright fine. People who have N54's suck.
(340i Owner) Okay I agree!

Guess we are all leasing it. It's a BMW...Who buys it?? lol

KGB_123_99 · 07-09-2014, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SickFinga

1980 320i with a 1.8l
1989 535i with 3.4l
1996 750il with 5.4l
1996 850CSi with 5.6l
1996 318i with 1.9l
2000 320i with 2.2l

People talking about the "days" usually the least informed

Very true, but at least SOME of the models matched...

x20 had a 2.0L, x25 actually had a 2.5L, x30 had a 3.0L (at least in E39/E60/E46 days). Is there at least ONE model number today that actually matches the displacement besides the 320i?

Eddien123 · 07-09-2014, 08:31 PM

The 330 should go back to a powerful NA 6.. Anyone else agree?

hans007 · 07-09-2014, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by KGB_123_99

Very true, but at least SOME of the models matched...

x20 had a 2.0L, x25 actually had a 2.5L, x30 had a 3.0L (at least in E39/E60/E46 days). Is there at least ONE model number today that actually matches the displacement besides the 320i?

in europe our 535d is the 530d.

and the 520d/320d over there. i guess in the US they have 0 cars that match

SickFinga · 07-09-2014, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by KGB_123_99

Very true, but at least SOME of the models matched...

x20 had a 2.0L, x25 actually had a 2.5L, x30 had a 3.0L (at least in E39/E60/E46 days). Is there at least ONE model number today that actually matches the displacement besides the 320i?

2001 E39 and E46 x20i had 2.2l
E39 523i had a 2.5l
E60 525i had a 3.0l

black_beauty · 07-09-2014, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ALPINA B5

only a matter of time before a 550i is powered by a 2.0 tri-turbo engine

LOL!!!
Awesome

olinjohnston · 07-09-2014, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by KGB_123_99

Is there at least ONE model number today that actually matches the displacement besides the 320i?

Yes.

760Li = 6.0L

KGB_123_99 · 07-09-2014, 09:53 PM

Okay okay, so the numbers are completely random

Envyscorpio · 07-09-2014, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by exclusivo

guess this is the price I pay for being an early adopter. my 325 e90 was discontinued for the 328, now my 428 will be old news....

By the time everyone got the best old technologies, you'll be onto a new platform which everyone wants again. There are always people waiting out and bashing on new design and lust over new performance. If financially capable, might as well enjoy it first instead waiting for the best year and options that might never be offered. 2014 328 and 2015 330 don't matter! They all depreciate like rock if bought new. But if you're buying used and plan to keep till the end of time, then waiting for the best year does make a lot of sense.

I assume its best to look into engine options and search for future updates just before a purchase since BMW changes so often.

Don't all automakers do that nowadays? Japanese roll out new cars every 3~4 years in Japan. Then, trickle down the tooling to a different country to extend model life and lower costs while the Europeans have more than one update spreads across a longer model life.

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