[Antec800]

how does the car shift on wot compared to a jb4? Throttle closure the same or worse?

[eksigned]

Originally Posted by Antec800

how does the car shift on wot compared to a jb4? Throttle closure the same or worse?

That was my biggest complaint with the JB4. I can't explain it any differently...it's just like stock, but CLEANER and entirely just...BETTER. lol

MUCH better <-- my answer

[GraphiteGran440]

I feel like someone asked this earlier, but I didn't see the reply. Are you able to have the driving modes change the tune? Ex. Comfort=stock & sport=stage 1
Also, since it's "adaptive" would I be able to plug and play the refined tunes for my car and achieve similar results without dyno tuning my car?

[B58]

So far the reviews sound great. Looking for others to chime in if they recently got flashed!

[rahlow]

I can say the difference between comfort mode and sport modes is more drastic than before. Not in a bad way. Comfort level is a bit more peppy but sport is where all the fun is from a sound and speed perspective. I'm curious to see what others say as well. Are u still working with Alex ericbuilt?

[B58]

Originally Posted by rahlow

I can say the difference between comfort mode and sport modes is more drastic than before. Not in a bad way. Comfort level is a bit more peppy but sport is where all the fun is from a sound and speed perspective. I'm curious to see what others say as well. Are u still working with Alex ericbuilt?

No, I never did or purchased the group-buy flash tune. I wanted to wait a little and see how others liked it or how it runs. My last car was a lab rat so i don't want to be that guy again so i rather just wait and buy it after a few more reviews.

[Araemo]

Originally Posted by GraphiteGran440

I feel like someone asked this earlier, but I didn't see the reply. Are you able to have the driving modes change the tune? Ex. Comfort=stock & sport=stage 1

They said that is not available (yet?).

[jalkster]

Originally Posted by eksigned

That was my biggest complaint with the JB4. I can't explain it any differently...it's just like stock, but CLEANER and entirely just...BETTER. lol

MUCH better <-- my answer

assuming you opted for stage 1 (comment on adding DP soon), how does stage 1 compare to jb4 map 2 power wise? Assuming no throttle issues on jb4 run.

[eksigned]

Originally Posted by ericbilt

No, I never did or purchased the group-buy flash tune. I wanted to wait a little and see how others liked it or how it runs. My last car was a lab rat so i don't want to be that guy again so i rather just wait and buy it after a few more reviews.

Group-buy lasts till this coming Friday. They're already beyond the minimum required 10 for the additional 10% as well...so, just an FYI.

[eksigned]

Originally Posted by jalkster

assuming you opted for stage 1 (comment on adding DP soon), how does stage 1 compare to jb4 map 2 power wise? Assuming no throttle issues on jb4 run.

Ya know, I can't comment on Map 2 because I always ran Map 1 (fuel). But power wise, I'd give it to mFlasher. The biggest difference being in the way the power is put down. It's a clean pull, that's consistent...there's no wonky shift + bog like from the JB4 (WOT or cruising)

[BLACK HAWK DOWN]

Originally Posted by MissionPerformance

91 is not an issue, but altitude is for sure. We have a few high altitude customers, from co to nm) and those cars are for sure not performing as good as cars at sea level.
For those cars, higher octane is highly recommended not because of knock, but because of lower possible boost.

At high altitude, tuning changes dramatically. When dme doesn't hit torque target, it starts raising boost targets. But because of less dense air, the turbo just can't flow enough air and you can't get power levels you want. One wait to counter that, higher octane. Better gas allows dme to adjust timing much higher (closer to 13 degrees) and lower boost targets.

So for you, for sure 2-3 gallons of e85 will be good.

Question. If the dealer decides to flash a map update then what happens to my mission tune?

[nikman011]

Ok, gonna dive in, BUT, I am a Mac guy, .... so what do people think would be the best minimal laptop to get for tuning only purposes, ..... would it possible to use a new Microsoft - Surface Pro with 8GB of RAM?

[ZTZ1010]

Originally Posted by nikman011

Ok, gonna dive in, BUT, I am a Mac guy, .... so what do people think would be the best minimal laptop to get for tuning only purposes, ..... would it possible to use a new Microsoft - Surface Pro with 8GB of RAM?

or just wait a few more weeks, go BM3 and get native Mac support + superior tuning for 1/2 the price...Everyone is jumping on the first ship to set sail with very limited data available

[jpsimon]

Originally Posted by nikman011

Ok, gonna dive in, BUT, I am a Mac guy, .... so what do people think would be the best minimal laptop to get for tuning only purposes, ..... would it possible to use a new Microsoft - Surface Pro with 8GB of RAM?

Just use a virtual machine or bootcamp

[MissionPerformance]

Originally Posted by nikman011

Ok, gonna dive in, BUT, I am a Mac guy, .... so what do people think would be the best minimal laptop to get for tuning only purposes, ..... would it possible to use a new Microsoft - Surface Pro with 8GB of RAM?

Surface Pro will work no problem, all you will need is a USB to Ethernet adapter.

Originally Posted by ZTZ1010

or just wait a few more weeks, go BM3 and get native Mac support + superior tuning for 1/2 the price...Everyone is jumping on the first ship to set sail with very limited data available

If I understood you right, you are suggesting that the 1/2 priced cookie-cutter mass produced tune is superior to an actually hand-built individual file? You do realize that BM3 platform loads the same identical file to all of their customers on referenced SWFL?. No data being read out, no adaptation or environmental values taken into account. Just like last year it was discovered that BM3 loads M5 file into M6 vehicles. Yes, the files are similar but there are few key differences that make both of those platforms unique and not interchangeable. If you are looking to save few $$ and accept that

If you are looking for cheap and yet working solution, JB4 is a way to go. Yes it does have its faults, everyone knows that, but at the price its much better solution then a file-service generic flash. If you actually care about your vehicle and looking for a Tailored flash, then you know where to go to.
For years now we have been playing by the same plan: Read out customer data including adaptations, previous knock counters at specific rpms, WG deviations and many more. With that information in hand, we build each file, hand by hand, individually. Yep, this way takes longer, but in a long run its worth every penny. In a long run you get what you pay for.

[riskmaker76]

surface pro is fine - it runs windows 10 full version and has USB 3 ports.

Your good..

I would suggest a full charge, maybe even plug in the power plug while doing it.

Originally Posted by nikman011

Ok, gonna dive in, BUT, I am a Mac guy, .... so what do people think would be the best minimal laptop to get for tuning only purposes, ..... would it possible to use a new Microsoft - Surface Pro with 8GB of RAM?

[E90ROXS]

Originally Posted by CIRCLING THE DRAIN

Question. If the dealer decides to flash a map update then what happens to my mission tune?

Good question. MissionTune needs to reflash for you for no charge.

[goj]

So this will for sure pass a smog test? Or will not simply fail it for a modified computer?

Also how is it that Mboot will for sure keep the dealer from discovering the file

[MissionPerformance]

Originally Posted by CIRCLING THE DRAIN

Question. If the dealer decides to flash a map update then what happens to my mission tune?

We always work with customers in events like this. We do suggest that you tell your service advistor not to flash/update your car, but if they end up doing the update, we are here to help. We offer 2 times free reflash for our customers in case of dealer update. After 2 times, its a $100 fee.

Originally Posted by goj

So this will for sure pass a smog test? Or will not simply fail it for a modified computer?

Also how is it that Mboot will for sure keep the dealer from discovering the file

mBoot is designed to trick dealer readout into thinking that you have factory file. Yes, its possible that dealer can detect that you have/had a tune in the past just like they can detect Jb4 or any other modification, though its very unlikely.

[ZTZ1010]

Originally Posted by MissionPerformance

If I understood you right, you are suggesting that the 1/2 priced cookie-cutter mass produced tune is superior to an actually hand-built individual file? You do realize that BM3 platform loads the same identical file to all of their customers on referenced SWFL?. No data being read out, no adaptation or environmental values taken into account. Just like last year it was discovered that BM3 loads M5 file into M6 vehicles. Yes, the files are similar but there are few key differences that make both of those platforms unique and not interchangeable. If you are looking to save few $$ and accept that

If you are looking for cheap and yet working solution, JB4 is a way to go. Yes it does have its faults, everyone knows that, but at the price its much better solution then a file-service generic flash. If you actually care about your vehicle and looking for a Tailored flash, then you know where to go to.
For years now we have been playing by the same plan: Read out customer data including adaptations, previous knock counters at specific rpms, WG deviations and many more. With that information in hand, we build each file, hand by hand, individually. Yep, this way takes longer, but in a long run its worth every penny. In a long run you get what you pay for.

Not discounting your product and I'm very appreciative of the progress you've made for the platform. I'm very happy to pay to play, as I did with my E92 M3, F80 M3, and Macan. Personally, the overall lack of data produced thus far doesn't justify dropping $1300 just because it's the first major product to market. A few dynos and sparse logs don't convince me of a product's long-term feasibility. Reputation also matters and I'm simply unfamiliar with your previous products. Maybe that's my personal ignorance, but having been in the BMW tuning scene on a multitude of platforms, it's just not incentive enough for me to gamble on.

The concept of having to pay $100 per occurrence (after the second time) to reflash my car with a tune I've already paid for because my MY18 car may need a software update on the dealer end also seems undesirable.

I just personally prefer more independent control and adjustability because I have friends who are tuners who I appreciate making adjustments. Who knows, maybe when all is said and done your product will be the best. But until more tuners take a crack at it and release completed projects, maps, dynos and logs we won't know. Glad you're finding success in the release and best of luck.

[MissionPerformance]

Originally Posted by ZTZ1010

Not discounting your product and I'm very appreciative of the progress you've made for the platform. I'm very happy to pay to play, as I did with my E92 M3, F80 M3, and Macan. Personally, the overall lack of data produced thus far doesn't justify dropping $1300 because it's the first major product to market. Glad you're finding success in the release.

Well that is the problem of being first on the market and reported data does come out little by little as we flash customers one at a time. $1300 is a M5 price, not B58. B58 is only $720 for stg 1 or $855 for stage 2. I think that is a very fair pricing for a brand new platform. Our N55 is prices at $600 and BM3 sells their N55 at $550, so as you see we are extremely competitive when it comes to pricing, just offer you a hand built flash on top of it.

[ZTZ1010]

Originally Posted by MissionPerformance

Well that is the problem of being first on the market and reported data does come out little by little as we flash customers one at a time. $1300 is a M5 price, not B58. B58 is only $720 for stg 1 or $855 for stage 2. I think that is a very fair pricing for a brand new platform. Our N55 is prices at $600 and BM3 sells their N55 at $550, so as you see we are extremely competitive when it comes to pricing, just offer you a hand built flash on top of it.

I understand the base pricing of stage 1, but I have cattless DP, intake, and full exhaust so I'd be going stage 2. If I add burble and mBoot to stage 2, your website reflects a final price of $1,149.

Like I said I'm not discounting your product at all and I know how difficult initial data collection and production can be. I'm personally just the type of person who likes to see a substantive amount of concrete data and results prior to paying above-market rates for a tune.