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      09-29-2016, 10:06 AM   #177
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I dunno that 5th gear pull is only 1300 RPM sweep that's TERRIBLE, the irony is just EPIC.

There is no ambient temp, their are no boost numbers. Maybe it's running stock boost, maybe it's 60F outside. Where are the Wagner users data and not marketing from Wagner charts.
So now 5th gear is not good enough

BTW your log does not have boost either + You dont even have the actual gears ... It could be 1-3 pull
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      09-29-2016, 10:06 AM   #178
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I think no matter what i post you are still going to defend you decision to buy a cheap product which is completely fine.

I said that couple times in this thread, as long as user is happy with the numbers posted and they think this is the right intercooler for them, then good luck.
Just dont claim this cheap core to be on the same level as the brand ones
I think no matter what I post, you are still going to defend your business and product sales which is completely fine.
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I think no matter what I post, you are still going to defend your business and product sales which is completely fine.
You did not post any data proving your claims, i did
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yellowspeed fmic: $200
Wagner FMIc: $700+
drama over the forums between vendors and consumers: priceless

i need some popcorn for this
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      09-29-2016, 10:12 AM   #181
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You did not post any data proving your claims, i did
Your photoshopped graph? Tight brah. Since this thread doesn't talk about any products you sell nor does it involve anyone who is looking to buy something from you, why are you involved anyways?
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Your photoshopped graph? Tight brah. Since this thread doesn't talk about any products you sell nor does it involve anyone who is looking to buy something from you, why are you involved anyways?
So now no matter what i post, it is not good enough because it will be photo shopped ... Interesting

Im involved because you are spreading misinformation ... You have a crappy cooler and you are making false claims
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yellowspeed fmic: $200
Wagner FMIc: $700+
drama over the forums between vendors and consumers: priceless

i need some popcorn for this
Its not about the price ... No one is arguing which one is cheaper

The argument is about claims made by some that this is on the same level as Wagner or any other brand intercooler which is obviously not accurate
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Man, I've never seen a sponsor get so butthurt over someone talking about a product they don't sell...or do they?
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Roughly 75%-95% of the efficiency of a known high dollar intercooler(no hard evidence so this is just an uneducated guess) is worth 25% of the price to most people. At the end of the day it's definitely an improvement over stock which is the whole point of modifying cars. Let's be honest, who the hell actually "NEEDS" that extra efficiency and is going to be able to tell the difference from behind the wheel?
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Roughly 75%-95% of the efficiency of a known high dollar intercooler(no hard evidence so this is just an uneducated guess) is worth 25% of the price to most people. At the end of the day it's definitely an improvement over stock which is the whole point of modifying cars. Let's be honest, who the hell actually "NEEDS" that extra efficiency and is going to be able to tell the difference from behind the wheel?
Since it is a bigger intercooler, it will deliver better IAT than stock.

From the graphs we are seein this FMIC is showing numbers 20 degrees higher than sport wagner intercooler so around 30-40 higher than wagner EVO 2

Thats a big difference and it will be felt by any driver


Again, if user is ok with that and would rather sacrifice some performance to save money that is is completely fine by me. I never went after anyone for getting this intercooler, im only replying to user making claims that this is on the same level (or near the same level) of Wagner or other brand FMIC
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Man, I've never seen a sponsor get so butthurt over someone talking about a product they don't sell...or do they?
Good comeback

Of course a better one would be a proof to any of your claims that this is a quality intercooler
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yellowspeed fmic: $200
Wagner FMIc: $700+
drama over the forums between vendors and consumers: priceless

i need some popcorn for this
Seems like all the Ebay ones are over $400 now. I tried to fish for a $300 offer and got no reply.
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My question is -- is it better than stock?
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My question is -- is it better than stock?
yes
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Good! because I bought it already. ha.
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Good! because I bought it already. ha.
Congrats!
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Since it is a bigger intercooler, it will deliver better IAT than stock.

From the graphs we are seein this FMIC is showing numbers 20 degrees higher than sport wagner intercooler so around 30-40 higher than wagner EVO 2

Thats a big difference and it will be felt by any driver


Again, if user is ok with that and would rather sacrifice some performance to save money that is is completely fine by me. I never went after anyone for getting this intercooler, im only replying to user making claims that this is on the same level (or near the same level) of Wagner or other brand FMIC

Wagners graphs are in Celsius and the logs with the ebay are Fahrenheit. When converted puts the deltas pretty similar to each other.

Not saying the name brands aren't better but dollar for dollar the ebay one seems to be holding its own and better deal.

But some people like to get off on how much they spent on their parts and like to know they got the best of the best of the best. We do all drive BMW's after all
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Seems like all the Ebay ones are over $400 now. I tried to fish for a $300 offer and got no reply.
I have one if you want to buy it. Not yet installed, still in the box.
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But some people like to get off on how much they spent on their parts and like to know they got the best of the best of the best. We do all drive BMW's after all
Agree with you... As long as no false claims are being posted, user is free to add any mods to his car

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to the layman, is this good, bad or ugly?
Well since the poster was too busy sabre rattling, I think it's safe to say that the x-axis is constructed in a program other than the one that provided the logged data, so it 'looks' good and reads like the IC is working
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If you're looking for an inexpensive intercooler, we offer a street intercooler @ $479. With that comes a lifetime warranty and support from a vendor that will exist both now and in the next few years if you do encounter an issue with your product.

If you want something that's going to perform better than the Wagner for a couple hundred bucks less, we sell a HD core option on our 5" intercooler as well.
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If you're looking for an inexpensive intercooler, we offer a street intercooler @ $479. With that comes a lifetime warranty and support from a vendor that will exist both now and in the next few years if you do encounter an issue with your product.

If you want something that's going to perform better than the Wagner for a couple hundred bucks less, we sell a HD core option on our 5" intercooler as well.
Love the POSITIVE input Tiago. Logs Brother? The new beast u guys released looks awesome.
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