[blacksapphire440i]

Hi everyone,

I'm looking to see anyone's review on the DAW Flow Max turbo for the B58 and if there is anything to look out for on these turbos.

Would this turbo be more reliable in the long run than Pure800s?

[WrxToBeamerGuy]

Originally Posted by blacksapphire440i

Hi everyone,

I'm looking to see anyone's review on the DAW Flow Max turbo for the B58 and if there is anything to look out for on these turbos.

Would this turbo be more reliable in the long run than Pure800s?

Also interested in this question. I'm probably going to get a Pure800 / 850 since that is what I see the most on this forum.

[dmanb2b]

All the feedback I have seen says drivability is much more like OEM vs Pure and build quality appears to be very good. Tough to gauge durability on either as this is a relatively new offering, but DAW is not new to this arena.

[weehe126]

DAW is China drop ship turbos. Good luck.

[G.Newt]

In general, I think it's a bad time to buy turbos. Not specific to the turbo industry, but across the board:
Parts and supplies are hard to come by, so some places are using lower quality/more available substitutes.
Guys with experience are leaving and that means overall quality of the finished product has gone down (this is especially crucial for these hyrbid turbos where they need to stuff the wheels into the stock housing.

Pures are known to leak, just had another local 340i to me have his VTT GC turbo go bye bye, etc. DAW has a sketchy past. Someone just posted that their Doc Race top mount kit wasn't great, missing parts/didn't fit. It's just a bad time right now.

[blacksapphire440i]

Originally Posted by G.Newt

In general, I think it's a bad time to buy turbos. Not specific to the turbo industry, but across the board:
Parts and supplies are hard to come by, so some places are using lower quality/more available substitutes.
Guys with experience are leaving and that means overall quality of the finished product has gone down (this is especially crucial for these hyrbid turbos where they need to stuff the wheels into the stock housing.

Pures are known to leak, just had another local 340i to me have his VTT GC turbo go bye bye, etc. DAW has a sketchy past. Someone just posted that their Doc Race top mount kit wasn't great, missing parts/didn't fit. It's just a bad time right now.

Damn thats tough af. I was looking to get the most reliable turbo for a decent price but hearing all of this makes me wanna hold off. Still concerned my turbine might go out when im running an ots stage 2+ map

[blacksapphire440i]

Originally Posted by weehe126

DAW is China drop ship turbos. Good luck.

yikes man. are you able to link me to some supporting details on DAW and their past? would like it for reference, thanks.

[G.Newt]

Originally Posted by blacksapphire440i

Damn thats tough af. I was looking to get the most reliable turbo for a decent price but hearing all of this makes me wanna hold off. Still concerned my turbine might go out when im running an ots stage 2+ map

OTS maps are conservative. I'm running the most aggressive one and she's holding up fine. Wouldn't hesitate.

[Glemm1970]

I bought the DAW as soon as it came out. The workmanship is very good. People have been riding them for 5.4s 100-200, which is pretty close to the Pure 800.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by blacksapphire440i

Hi everyone,

I'm looking to see anyone's review on the DAW Flow Max turbo for the B58 and if there is anything to look out for on these turbos.

Would this turbo be more reliable in the long run than Pure800s?

I don't think any turbo is more reliable than Pure.

With that being said reliability depends on how aggressive your custom map is vs how much the turbo is built to handle.

This is of course assuming that the turbo is well built. I recommend sticking with the more well-known brand for better reliability and support.

[Glemm1970]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

I don't think any turbo is more reliable than Pure.

With that being said reliability depends on how aggressive your custom map is vs how much the turbo is built to handle.

This is of course assuming that the turbo is well built. I recommend sticking with the more well-known brand for better reliability and support.

Once they told me so about Vargas. That their turbines are not reliable or powerful. As a result, GC has been driving excellently for two years and 60,000 km. And this is for $ 1500!

[weehe126]

Originally Posted by blacksapphire440i

yikes man. are you able to link me to some supporting details on DAW and their past? would like it for reference, thanks.

Just google DAW turbo N54. They are ebay turbos. Some work great, some last 100 miles. Pure is the most reliable one out there right now.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by Glemm1970

Once they told me so about Vargas. That their turbines are not reliable or powerful. As a result, GC has been driving excellently for two years and 60,000 km. And this is for $ 1500!

Vargas is included in my comment as it's one of the more well-known companies.

Vargas is a different case though, I think a lot of the bad rep they get is not because of their kit quality. As you know from experience, they make high-quality turbos.

But rather from issues between forum members and Tony.

[blacksapphire440i]

Originally Posted by weehe126

Just google DAW turbo N54. They are ebay turbos. Some work great, some last 100 miles. Pure is the most reliable one out there right now.

No problem. I'm hesitant on getting Pures due to how atrocious it is for you to take off your stock turbos, ship them to Pure, wait god knows how long while your car has no turbo, and then they'll ship it to you. (if im not mistaken, please correct me)

[Glemm1970]

Originally Posted by weehe126

Just google DAW turbo N54. They are ebay turbos. Some work great, some last 100 miles. Pure is the most reliable one out there right now.

On the N54 and Vargas, he supplied not the best turbines. There was a lot of negativity about them.
The Pure800 is now the market leader on the B58.
But when you are on the other side of the earth, you will not remove the turbine from the car and send it to Pure and wait three months! Or pay $ 4300.
In terms of availability and price, GC and FMax, and TS2, are now preferable for those who do not have the opportunity to send their turbo to the USA.

[weehe126]

Pay for the core charge, then you don't have down time. Then ship your stock turbo back in the box the new one came in. Not that complicated but can understand not wanting to pay the core charge.

[drivef30]

Pure is the best option, pay the core deposit and install the new turbo, ship back your core after. Get you some quality turbos with quality CUSTOMER SERVICE is my advice. Both Vargas and DAW has iffy customer service experiences in terms of actually getting the turbo's warrantied when they failed.

[WrxToBeamerGuy]

Originally Posted by weehe126

Pay for the core charge, then you don't have down time. Then ship your stock turbo back in the box the new one came in. Not that complicated but can understand not wanting to pay the core charge.

What does "Core" entail? The exhaust manifold and hot and cold side?

[Glemm1970]

Originally Posted by WrxToBeamerGuy

What does "Core" entail? The exhaust manifold and hot and cold side?

The whole turbo kit.

[kern417]

It runs strong and is fairly priced. It's that simple.

I would ignore people that talk about companies in general. The B58 has a good track record almost all the turbo options. The only one I see not performing is the GC+, but the regular GC is a nice cost effective option that does well too.

Everything is going on sale in like 2 weeks, so don't pull the trigger just yet.

[Chris@VargasTurboTech]

Originally Posted by drivef30

Pure is the best option, pay the core deposit and install the new turbo, ship back your core after. Get you some quality turbos with quality CUSTOMER SERVICE is my advice. Both Vargas and DAW has iffy customer service experiences in terms of actually getting the turbo's warrantied when they failed.

Is this so, please outline your "DIRECT" experience with our "IFFY" customer service. Way too much of, "Well I heard from this guy in this group, about this." Either you have had experience with our customer service or you have not. I say this because get this, the people who actually are customers, say we have the best customer service, instant responses to emails, no-hassle warranty claims, etc. The internet is FULL of the "well I heard this so do this". If you have no direct experience you literally know nothing about our customer service.

[Chris@VargasTurboTech]

Originally Posted by kern417

It runs strong and is fairly priced. It's that simple.

I would ignore people that talk about companies in general. The B58 has a good track record almost all the turbo options. The only one I see not performing is the GC+, but the regular GC is a nice cost effective option that does well too.

Everything is going on sale in like 2 weeks, so don't pull the trigger just yet.

The only one you see not performing is the GC+? Please break this down for us. We have seen multiple 800WHP cars, and many records have fallen to the GC+ all over the world. Not saying you are wrong, but to make such a claim, it has to be backed up...