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Don't get me wrong - I don't have an issue with Audi's and VW sharing platforms - many manufacturers do this - parts commonality is a great thing and allows for flexibility, lower inventory costs, shortened supply chains and other advantages beyond economies of scale. However, I'm just one of those people that can't justify the additional price of an Audi for something that I can get in a VW. And there's where we agree. VW makes some great products. I owned a 1995 B3 Passat and loved that car! I looked seriously at VW and would have bought another Passat, but I was suduced by the darkside and bought a 2006 E90 330i instead. I now own an 2013 F30 and love it for the N55 motor in it, which makes up for its boatlike suspension. Again, I agree with you regarding the hopes placed on the G20 platform, hence my suggestion that maybe OP should wait and see. |
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My 2016 340i + MPPSK makes the same power (Probably more) as the 2018 S4. I haven't driven the S4 but looking at the configurator, the only interior options are black, blackish grey or red with silver or carbon fibre trim. To me that looks ugly. Which makes it an automatic pass for me. I don't do black interior cars. Quote:
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However, all else is not always equal - at least not in the 340 vs. S4 debate. If you are looking for a manual transmission, you have no choice. |
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That doesn't mean it perfect and that BMW shouldn't do better on the next 3 series, but it doesn't make the F30 undrivable. I've had 3 F30's and I can tell you that they were great cars to own and there is a reason I didn't stop with my first F30.
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I'll weight in. My job is buying cars. I've driven a LOT of recent A4s and 3 series. I daily a '13 M-Sport 328i.
Interior/exterior looks are subjective so it is what it is. As far as driving, I prefer the way the BMW feels. The Audi is fine and the turbo seems to spool up faster and with more initial grunt than the the 3 series but the 3 tends to make power longer (328/330). I do prefer the clutch in the A4 as the one in the 3 just feels vague and harder to be smooth with, it takes time to learn. The brakes in the 3 feel better and I feel the 3 has sharper turn in and just feels better when corning. The Audi is more comfortable over bumps though. If you spend a lot of time in traffic and want to be more comfortable I'd say get the A4. If you want the better driving experience, get the 3. |
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fwiw, I think that you're correct depending on where you are in the lineup . . .
At the lower end (320/330 vs A4), I'd go for the BMW (and as I've said before, hold my nose when I get into the interior). At the higher end (340 vs S4), I'd go for the Audi. At the uber end (M4 vs RS4), I'd go for the BMW. You see, although I drive an Audi right now, I'm really "BMW Guy". But Audi's upper end (S4 and S6) are far more dynamically superior to the current 340 and the old 550. I believe that's why BMW is moving to "sport-up" this part of their range. I'd bet that the new M550 will be a better car than the current S6, and that the next-gen M340 will be better than the new S4.
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As for the deposit, my car is already in production and I did the deal with a friend of mine so It would not end to nicely if I walked away now. Also, the Audi S4 or even the unreleased S5 will not have anywhere near the same deal/monthly that I'm getting for the BMW. Though that s5 looks so sexy. ![]() |
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Audi is just horrible to lease. Horrible reliability history to own. and now the horrible company reputation too with all the cheats. S5 Sportsback does look better than 440i GC. I always cross shop with Audi but the horrible lease always turn me away.
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I agree with you on Audi's lease rates. If you're leasing, it's very difficult to cross-shop BMW and Audi. Regarding reliability, have you had a poor experience? My two Audi's have been every bit as reliable as my BMWs.
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Well I'll try to make you feel a bit better. BMW's technology is hands down better than Audi's imo. MMI is second to iDrive, but iDrive remains the best interface in the market. And Audi's HUD is waaay down the list. There are many manufactures whose HUDs are better than theirs.
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I've driven a 340ix pretty extensively. It was a 6MT with MSport and Track Handling. It did not have the M Performance bits (which I would have spec'd had I ordered that car). I really wanted to get into that car and even considered going to the 440ix because I could add Individual marino leather to dress up its Kia interior. But the xDrive driving dynamics kill the car imo.
As I said I'm my earlier post, BMW developed xDrive pretty exclusively for foul weather traction. Audi's quattro in its S models has torque vectoring back-to-front and (optionally with its Sports Diff) left-to-right. Its the latter bit that really gives those cars that go-kart-like handling. And if you're a "driver", you don't need to be anywhere near a track to feel it. BMW developed a back-to-front and left-to-right vectoring system for the X6 M (maybe the X5 M as well), so they know how to do it. I'm guessing it'll be on the new AWD M5 and I'm hoping it makes its way down to the M550 and M340 as well. Time will tell . . .
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This is probably the most civilized Audi vs BMW thread i've ever read!. WTF is going on here?? ![]() |
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The bottom line between the two makes always comes down to this - if you buy a base Audi (A4, A6, even A8) you get a FWD car. If you buy a base BMW you get a weight balanced, RWD car. And RWD cars are capable of sportier driving dynamics than FWD cars are.
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The older MMI was much worse than idrive for sure, but the newer one on the B9's is light years ahead and it works with Android auto or apple car play. This leaves the app development with the OS and requires nothing from Audi. Sidenote: I was shocked that BMW is charging to update maps still, wasn't sure if I traveled back to 2010. |
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BMW is totally a generation behind when it comes to that stuff. Nobody should be using the built in GPS applications in cars anymore. Google maps/Waze should be your only option. |
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