[mcoops]

Very much ETTO, but a FFRR would not appeal to me as a daily driver or family car. Don't get me wrong, I would be absolutely delighted to be picked up from the airport and driven home in one (if only). But I find the shape curiously old-fashioned from some angles, especially the side. It's clearly pretty huge, bigger and heavier than I could reasonably argue I needed. And right or wrong I associate it with a level of ostentation that I find a complete turn off.


If I was spending this sort of money, I'd be looking at something totally different. A nice Panamera, or a fully loaded performance estate.

[MashinBenzin]

Originally Posted by mikeoz

Agree with that German cars do not come out that well normally. I said before on another thread that its a shame LR dont have great rep in this area as they are making nice products these days imo.
Having just got back from Germany i had a bit of a duel with a RR SVR and was pretty impressed with how quick and well it went round the twistys....for a big old bus of a thing...very impressive handling.

They do handle well, less understeer in a RRS than a 440i, PHEV with instant torque was particularly awesome. Air suspension gives a soft edge but once you gel with it then it's a great drive. Plus the adaptive dynamics makes a huge difference.

[Ashway]

Originally Posted by DB118D

Plenty time to spare sitting about your local LR dealer drinking nice coffee and eating nice biscuits then!

yeah used to that at BMW usually talking about neg equity though

[isleaiw1]

Originally Posted by mcoops

Very much ETTO, but a FFRR would not appeal to me as a daily driver or family car. Don't get me wrong, I would be absolutely delighted to be picked up from the airport and driven home in one (if only). But I find the shape curiously old-fashioned from some angles, especially the side. It's clearly pretty huge, bigger and heavier than I could reasonably argue I needed. And right or wrong I associate it with a level of ostentation that I find a complete turn off.


If I was spending this sort of money, I'd be looking at something totally different. A nice Panamera, or a fully loaded performance estate.

You dont like the ostentation but a £100k Porsche is Ok.....



Whereas I could live with RR badge but struggle with owning a Porsche...but I am old enough to remember the YUPies of the 80s...

[Ashway]

Originally Posted by mcoops

If I was spending this sort of money, I'd be looking at something totally different. A nice Panamera, or a fully loaded performance estate.

Been there done that, and I couldn't be less ostentatious
by the way

[mcoops]

Originally Posted by isleaiw1

You dont like the ostentation but a £100k Porsche is Ok.....

You might have me there

While you couldn't reasonably accuse the Panamera of being a Q car, I personally find it a bit less bling. It also doesn't have it's own gravity field which I'm sure I've read the FFRR does

But I fully accept, ostentation is subjective...

[MashinBenzin]

Originally Posted by mcoops

You might have me there

While you couldn't reasonably accuse the Panamera of being a Q car, I personally find it a bit less bling. It also doesn't have it's own gravity field which I'm sure I've read the FFRR does

But I fully accept, ostentation is subjective...

Gravity field comparison: Panamera is longer and slightly narrower. RR 'slightly' taller. About 10-15% in it for base model weight.

The FFRR is a very imposing looking car, but I bet it's easy to drive around in. Surprisingly it's narrower than my Disco and only 4cm longer.

To drive, my money is on the lower car (Panamera) feeling harder to place, feeling wider to fit through gaps etc. There are tight spots I drive through that used to make me wince in the F36 and feel fine in the Disco.

[mcoops]

Originally Posted by MashinBenzin

To drive, my money is on the lower car (Panamera) feeling harder to place, wider to fit through gaps etc.

Could well be. Although the lack of oxygen and nosebleeds could be an issue at that altitude.

Much, much prefer the Disco from a looks PoV. Handsome but doesn't look like it's trying too hard.

[MashinBenzin]

Originally Posted by mcoops

Could well be. Although the lack of oxygen and nosebleeds could be an issue at that altitude.

Much, much prefer the Disco from a looks PoV. Handsome but doesn't look like it's trying too hard.

I owe you a beer for saying that much as it gets stick for its looks, I genuinely like it from most angles and the back just ceases to bother you after a while. The worst angle is from a low car behind it (your car wash photo for instance!)

It was one of the appeals of the Disco. The feeling that you can leave it anywhere and it's just a Land Rover. Size aside, relatively low key.

[Ashway]

Sizes can be deceptive..... said the actress to the Bishop


my current X5 is 4866 long, 1938 wide, 1762 high

The RR is 5000 long 1990 wide and 1836 high

SQ7 is 5069mm long, 1968 wide, 1741high

5 series is 4966 long, 1903 wide, 1473 high.

so the differences are not as big as you might imagine.

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by Ashway

yeah used to that at BMW usually talking about neg equity though

I don't think the FFRR will be any better in that regard.

[Ashway]

Originally Posted by Wills2

I don't think the FFRR will be any better in that regard.

you're right, neither were the 2 Astons I've had since retiring, the more expensive the car the more you lose period. I was talking to a well known Prestige independent in North Yorkshire yesterday and the money being shed on Lambos, Ferrari's Mclarens etc is on a different level to what we moan about with BMW. Its gone significantly worse in the last 9 months in particular.

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by Ashway

you're right, neither were the 2 Astons I've had since retiring, the more expensive the car the more you lose period. I was talking to a well known Prestige independent in North Yorkshire yesterday and the money being shed on Lambos, Ferrari's Mclarens etc is on a different level to what we moan about with BMW. Its gone significantly worse in the last 9 months in particular.

Indeed AM and FFRR are known for doing their nuts in, enjoy the conversation with the RR dealer in 2 years it'll be quite a conversation if you want to change again.

[agentorange]

Originally Posted by MashinBenzin

To drive, my money is on the lower car (Panamera) feeling harder to place, feeling wider to fit through gaps etc. There are tight spots I drive through that used to make me wince in the F36 and feel fine in the Disco.

You just described the difference between my XJ and the ML I drive now. The Jag seating position always leaves you in the bathtub position. Also, the lower edge of the front windows sloped, which drove me nuts when trying park between lines for some reason. In the ML I can see out better, although it's not quite as airy as an X5.

[MashinBenzin]

Originally Posted by agentorange

You just described the difference between my XJ and the ML I drive now. The Jag seating position always leaves you in the bathtub position. Also, the lower edge of the front windows sloped, which drove me nuts when trying park between lines for some reason. In the ML I can see out better, although it's not quite as airy as an X5.

Sloping window line - yes as well. My wife's car has this to a much greater degree than any of my cars I've had. I've routinely struggled to park it straight driving forwards into a space from a 90 degree turn. It's weird to adjust too on a one off drive.

[Ashway]

Originally Posted by Wills2

Indeed AM and FFRR are known for doing their nuts in, enjoy the conversation with the RR dealer in 2 years it'll be quite a conversation if you want to change again.

I guess its comparable to BMW in percentage terms it just seems so much more given the list prices are higher. during my chat on Thursday the indi told me a guy lost £80K on his 458 in 8 months.

The one thing I have realised is that I (we) need a comfortable SUV to suit our lifestyle since retiring. I think I've got the sports/GT car thing out of my system and hopefully this one will be a longer term ownership proposition.

lets see

[Tengocity]

Sorry to hear that you're having issues with the car. I only know one other person with a new Disco and it's spent significant time off the road at the dealers also. He's been enjoying the RRS as a courtesy car but needs 7 seats so it has been a right pain.
He's counting down the days till he can VT and the X7 deals get better and then he says he'll swap.

My neighbour has a Disco Sport and has been in touch with the ombudsman about an issue with his car and the dealer. BMWs do have some issues, and I have had one breakdown on me, but any issues I've had have always been sorted.

[R0B]

Something something X5s are better than X3s.

Sorry Rich, touch of gallows humour

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by Ashway

I guess its comparable to BMW in percentage terms it just seems so much more given the list prices are higher. during my chat on Thursday the indi told me a guy lost £80K on his 458 in 8 months.

The one thing I have realised is that I (we) need a comfortable SUV to suit our lifestyle since retiring. I think I've got the sports/GT car thing out of my system and hopefully this one will be a longer term ownership proposition.

lets see

It's all madness when you think about it, yes those 458/488 eat money but I guess if you're spending 250k+ on one you've got the wherewithal to suffer the bid.

[Ashway]

Happy Days, Dealer rang me this morning to say they'd just had a bulletin sent through offering an additional £3k support on the RR Westminster I'm picking up next week.

Chuffed to bits with that, reduces the monthlies by about £80

[MashinBenzin]

Originally Posted by Ashway

Happy Days, Dealer rang me this morning to say they'd just had a bulletin sent through offering an additional £3k support on the RR Westminster I'm picking up next week.

Chuffed to bits with that, reduces the monthlies by about £80

What a deal! Looking forward to the pick up thread and pictures

[MashinBenzin]

To update on my own thoughts. As I said, I'd give myself until last Sunday to decide what to do. Even a couple of days before that, I had decided that there was nothing else out there that would adequately replace the Disco, apart from another identical Disco (or maybe a FFRR but that's not the family wheels thing). If I had, say, a X5 I would just be looking longingly at every Disco I saw. Not that the X5 is a bad car, it's a brilliant one, just not the one for me right now.

Had a decent conversation with the supplying dealer's head of customer service - rejection is extended in law by the time under repair at any dealer...so my car has plenty of time left to prove itself. Plus JLR and the dealer are usually supportive of rejection up to 12 months, even on a different fault. We talked in detail about how rejection would work. Then plenty of talk of goodwill options, which we will only discuss and agree once my car is back, ie once the full level of inconvenience is known.

Meanwhile, 900 miles covered so far in the SD4. The engine is not growing on me, but it's a comfy enough place for the daily grind. At least once up to cruising speed.