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And this one says 100000km and 8 years only for above-normal operating conditions. My plan is just ignore this until past 100000 miles.
"Maintenance-free fills are intended for normal operating conditions. Especially driving at very high operating temperatures can result in accelerated aging or increased wear of ATF oils. In case of above-average operating conditions, such as: - frequent freeway driving in the upper speed range - offensive, sporty driving style - frequent trailer operation it is recommended to refresh(change) the oil of the automatic transmission every 100,000kmor no later than after 8 years." https://aftermarket.zf.com/remotemed...e-ml-11-en.pdf Last edited by bavarianride; 08-31-2018 at 10:20 AM.. |
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On the official ZF Service Information document it says "depending on driving style" that they recommend changing oil every:
80,000 to 120,000 kilometers -or- 50,000 to 75,000 miles It also mentions that oil should be swapped every 8 years at the very latest. |
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Im going to wait until 80k or 90k miles most likely.
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In case of above-average operating conditions, such as .... it is recommended to refresh(change) the oil of the automatic transmission every 100,000km or no later than after 8 years." The sentence structure says only change if above-average operating conditions. |
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This is honestly the only document Ive seen. Other than that it sounds like a bunch of opinions and hearsay, lol.
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Anyhow, this will be on back burner till 100k miles for my car. |
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Hmm, why can this AT(or even diff fluid) service not be done like a regular oil/coolant change, with easily accessible filter cartridge/unit, and fixed fill volume, e.g. 7 liters?!?
E.g. there can be a drain hole at bottom of pan, and then a fill hole that is higher than the fill level in the oil pan. And a little transmission fluid pump through a filter? Why is it not designed that way? There seems to be room for innovation! |
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Advancements in engineering and formulations of ATF remove the burden of inadvertently contaminating the transmission because someone is constantly opening up the case. The less you go poking around in there the better. In the old days there used to be a dipstick for the transmission. You'd refill via the dipstick.
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Maybe it is not meant to be read that way, but it does looks like the 100000km and/or 8 years interval applies "in case of above-average", and anything else is "maintenance-free".
It is not much different that other docs, which says "Depending on driving style ...." The driving style should refer to the high temperature operating condition ones, at least that's how my brain says. "In case of above-average operating conditions, such as .... it is recommended to refresh(change) the oil of the automatic transmission every 100,000km or no later than after 8 years." |
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Only drain and fill as opposed to what? Isnt that the only way to change fluids?
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Cool tip: If you have bootmod3, you can plug that in while the car is up on jack stands to get the transmission fluid temps, which helps to gauge filling it. You can find it in the advanced section of BM3 where you can add custom sensors to the dashboard. Transmission temps is waaaaay towards the bottom. When I changed the transmission, I recovered a total of 4 quarts. I made sure to capture all of it for measuring purposes. Not all can be removed because some remains in the torque converter, as we all know. The car was warm when I removed the transmission fluid, and I made sure to check the level as it cooled since the fluid will expand/contract based on its temperature. While filling it at the recommended temperature range, and shifting through the gears (stopping for 10 seconds on each gear), I couldn't quite get the entire last quart in. So I jacked up the right side of the car at as much of an angle I could get it to, and was able to get the remainder of the 4th quart back in the transmission. My transmission is the 8HP, so I followed this procedure provided by ZF. https://aftermarket.zf.com/remotemed...p-50130-en.pdf I can say that with the new fluid and filter, the car seems to shift a little more crisp. But that could just be me. Regards, -Jer
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The latest version of 50130 EN I can find is 10.2020 and no longer has a recommended maintenance interval. The latest version of TE-ML 11 I can find was released April 2021 and says the following Quote:
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