[Fast3rF30]

can some of you guys complete my survey for my school assignment about bmw.

https://s.surveyplanet.com/ghz1vbzm

EDIT: thank you to the people who have completed it. i only need 10 more responses if you could spare 1-2 minutes of your time.

[Fast3rF30]

thank you to the people who have completed it. i only need 10 more responses if you could spare 1-2 minutes of your time.

[sspade]

Good luck on your assignment! Would be nice if you followed up here on the board with your findings!

[tturedraider]

Originally Posted by sspade

Good luck on your assignment! Would be nice if you followed up here on the board with your findings!

+1! It would be very interesting to see the responses. Especially if the majority of the places the survey was presented are car enthusiast sites.

[fijigabe0]

Done. Good luck!

[Skyhigh]

Just a note: I think you will get very different results based on what part of the world the survey is performed in. Given that this is an international platform, you will get quite mixed results which probably are not representative for any particular country in isolation.

E.g. EVs are very affordable where I am and how long I see myself driving an IC-Engine vehicle is influenced by the fact that these are supposed to be banned for registration here from next year on...

[Billfitz]

I'm not aware of anywhere that IC engine cars will be banned. That would be an insane policy. What is going to happen is a ban on the sale of new IC powered passenger cars starting in 2035. IC cars already on the road will not be affected. I can see 2034 being a banner year for IC cars as Luddites the world over get their last chance to continue polluting the planet as long as possible.

[Skyhigh]

I said “banned for registration” which is the same but goes beyond “banned for sale” as you would not be able to import IC (new or used) either. And unfortunately in some countries 2035 is 2025… at least as it stands today.

[Billfitz]

I don't see banned for registration being viable. Being able to import new from a country where they're still produced is unlikely, as they won't be made in any country.

[Skyhigh]

Not sure where the misunderstanding is.
Many countries, incl where I live, will implement registration ban for IC cars. This means:
- no new IC vehicles will be sold in country
- no IC vehicles can be imported in country, new or old, as they will not be able to be registered

Perfectly viable. Sensible? Different story.

[Orion4]

Which countries are you referring to? Would like to research their regulations regarding the banning and the timelines.

[Skyhigh]

Norway is as it stands banning registration of IC cars from 2025. Others are to follow. A good summary:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phas..._fuel_vehicles

[im_an_alien]

Originally Posted by Billfitz

I don't see banned for registration being viable. Being able to import new from a country where they're still produced is unlikely, as they won't be made in any country.

Bill in is denial..
Even New Joisey wants to ban sale of (new) IC cars by 2030...doubt it will happen...

[Billfitz]

Please read my posts again. I'm not denying that new IC cars will cease to be sold by 2035. But all the IC cars still on the road then aren't going to be suddenly scrapped. They be used until they no longer work. The good news for their owners is that the price of fuel will drop like a stone thanks to supply and demand.

[Skyhigh]

You seem to be contradicting yourself, but anyway… 😉

[eff32fl]

Originally Posted by Billfitz

Please read my posts again. I'm not denying that new IC cars will cease to be sold by 2035. But all the IC cars still on the road then aren't going to be suddenly scrapped. They be used until they no longer work. The good news for their owners is that the price of fuel will drop like a stone thanks to supply and demand.

And electricity costs will sky rocket. Your house power bill will be much more expensive and charging your EV will cost more than refilling gas cars at current gas prices. Chargers are temporarily free to get you to adopt the technology. Just like the dope man that gives you the first hit for free.

[tturedraider]

It seems the confusion is in the terminology. In the U.S. “registration” refers to getting your license plates renewed each year and being able to continue driving the car on the public roads. I don’t think banning the use of individuals’ currently owned ICE vehicles is proposed anywhere.

[Fast3rF30]

Originally Posted by sspade

Good luck on your assignment! Would be nice if you followed up here on the board with your findings!

Certainly! The results were quite mixed as they came from all over the world. In the end I got 81 people to complete the survey.

Q1. Do you believe switching from a petrol to an electric vehicle will have a measurable effect on the environment?
Yes:40 [49.4%]
No:41 [50.6%]

Q2. For how much longer do you think you will be driving a petrol vehicle?
0-5 years:5 [6.2%]
5-10 years:25 [30.9%]
10-20 years:15 [18.5%]
20-30 years:8 [9.9%]
The rest of my life:28 [34.6%]

Q3.On a scale from 1-5, how affordable do you find electric vehicles? (1- not affordable, 5- very affordable)

I cant show individual results for this one as its a paid feature but the average was a score of 2.36.

Q4. What is your favourite german car brand?
BMW:52 [64.2%]
Mercedes-Benz:6 [7.4%]
Audi:5 [6.2%]
Porsche:15 [18.5%]
Volkwagen:3 [3.7%]

Q5. If your favourite car brand was to move to all electric cars would you still support them?

Yes: 37 [45.7%]
No: 44 [54.3%]

Overall, the results were very good, I posted into many forums and community pages to get a even result but I looks like the BMW community came through with this one

Thank you to all who participated.

[Billfitz]

Originally Posted by eff32fl

And electricity costs will sky rocket. Your house power bill will be much more expensive and charging your EV will cost more than refilling gas cars at current gas prices.

That's fossil fuel propaganda. One reason why that's not the case is the efficiency of electric motors versus fueled engines. https://www.motortrend.com/news/evs-...stion-engines/

You can also ignore the myth about how EVs merely move the source of air pollution from cars to power plants. Even coal fired power plants create far less pollution per joule of energy created than internal combustion engines, let alone cleaner sources of electric power.

[Skyhigh]

Originally Posted by tturedraider

It seems the confusion is in the terminology. In the U.S. “registration” refers to getting your license plates renewed each year and being able to continue driving the car on the public roads. I don’t think banning the use of individuals’ currently owned ICE vehicles is proposed anywhere.

That must be it. Never heard that interpretation before. In most of the world a vehicle is registered either once in its lifetime (within a certain country) or only needs to get re-registered if it changes owner or state. In the context above - no new to the country IC cars will be allowed to enter exploitation from a certain date. Import will not be possible either (although there will be plenty of new and old IC vehicles abroad for decades to come). Already registered vehicles are unaffected.

[Skyhigh]

Originally Posted by eff32fl

And electricity costs will sky rocket. Your house power bill will be much more expensive and charging your EV will cost more than refilling gas cars at current gas prices. Chargers are temporarily free to get you to adopt the technology. Just like the dope man that gives you the first hit for free.

I agree. Those who think this is propaganda should just look at the countries which are much more advanced in this transition than most of the world. Plus history repeats itself - Diesels came out as more environmentally friendly and cheaper to run... look at them now - the diesel fuel is much more expensive than it used to be (compared to gasoline) and diesel vehicles are being banned and chased for being particularly environmentally unfriendly. Same thing WILL happen with EVs. Just a short trend in the automotive history. Sells of pure EVs are already going down in Germany and other countries as reality about the downsides of this technology is slowly catching up with the users...:

[eff32fl]

Originally Posted by Billfitz

That's fossil fuel propaganda. One reason why that's not the case is the efficiency of electric motors versus fueled engines. https://www.motortrend.com/news/evs-...stion-engines/

You can also ignore the myth about how EVs merely move the source of air pollution from cars to power plants. Even coal fired power plants create far less pollution per joule of energy created than internal combustion engines, let alone cleaner sources of electric power.

Supply and demand dictates the price, the efficiency of the motor is irrelevant.