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Was able to grab a 3rd gear and 4th gear log this morning on Stage 2 E30 v7.1. The latest revision is FIRE. All issues have been cleared up. This runs better than my v6.4 map where I would see HPFP crash at high RPM on E30 sometimes. The corn cleaned up my timing nicely. I think these are some of the cleanest logs I've taken.

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http://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5e5646f4d10b431dacbb7ac2

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Was able to grab a 3rd gear and 4th gear log this morning on Stage 2 E30 v7.1. The latest revision is FIRE. All issues have been cleared up. This runs better than my v6.4 map where I would see HPFP crash at high RPM on E30 sometimes. The corn cleaned up my timing nicely. I think these are some of the cleanest logs I've taken.

3rd Gear
http://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5e5646f4d10b431dacbb7ac2

4th Gear
http://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5e56471bd10b431dacbb7ac4
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Was able to grab a 3rd gear and 4th gear log this morning on Stage 2 E30 v7.1. The latest revision is FIRE. All issues have been cleared up. This runs better than my v6.4 map where I would see HPFP crash at high RPM on E30 sometimes. The corn cleaned up my timing nicely. I think these are some of the cleanest logs I've taken.

3rd Gear
http://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5e5646f4d10b431dacbb7ac2

4th Gear
http://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5e56471bd10b431dacbb7ac4
dam that does look good!

Thanks JaredG_F30

also special thanks to Phantom10R and obviously Halim@HCP for getting this right on the dot!
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dam that does look good!

Thanks JaredG_F30

also special thanks to Phantom10R and obviously Halim@HCP for getting this right on the dot!
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Glad yours is going well JaredG_F30!

Attached are my logs from 7.1. Boost is holding better, but still timing issues on ACN map with WA 92 octane, AFR is acting weird near redline and a knock event at 6600rpm im not happy with. Throwing in some boostane and trying again tonight. IAT's are higher than usual due to heatsoak yes, but not out of a normal range.

3rd into 4th: http://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5e55ccefc090c62cb4d02d1c
4th gear: http://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5e55cd99c090c62cb4d02d23
Kickdown to 3rd to see how it handled it:http://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5e55ce6fc090c62cb4d02d27
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Alright - Updated logs with 4oz of boostane (should bring octane to 92-93ish if my gas is not up to snuff for ACN tune). Still feel there is some inconsistencies or something weird going with the 7.1 tune or my car re: log 3 below. These were all done in succession and in order below.

Log 1: (sorry this log is long) 2nd to 3rd with traction control interfering, looks decent 2nd cylinder timing isn't great into 3rd: http://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5e571819d10b431dacbb84b0

Log 2: 3rd and barely into 4th WGDC at 99% and timing doesn't correct going into 4th well: http://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5e57184ad10b431dacbb84b7

Log 3: Where I see the big issues. AFR in the 13's and wont come down to 12's like all other logs i've done. I felt something was off so let off before I hit redline. Timing pulled throughout: http://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5e571882d10b431dacbb84b9

Log 4: IAT is now getting higher but not about 100* as I had to wait at a light for minute. Timing pulled throughout and WGDC at 100 again: http://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5e57197ad10b431dacbb84c9

Any advice or help would be appreciated!
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Alright - Updated logs with 4oz of boostane (should bring octane to 92-93ish if my gas is not up to snuff for ACN tune). Still feel there is some inconsistencies or something weird going with the 7.1 tune or my car re: log 3 below. These were all done in succession and in order below.

Log 1: (sorry this log is long) 2nd to 3rd with traction control interfering, looks decent 2nd cylinder timing isn't great into 3rd: http://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5e571819d10b431dacbb84b0

Log 2: 3rd and barely into 4th WGDC at 99% and timing doesn't correct going into 4th well: http://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5e57184ad10b431dacbb84b7

Log 3: Where I see the big issues. AFR in the 13's and wont come down to 12's like all other logs i've done. I felt something was off so let off before I hit redline. Timing pulled throughout: http://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5e571882d10b431dacbb84b9

Log 4: IAT is now getting higher but not about 100* as I had to wait at a light for minute. Timing pulled throughout and WGDC at 100 again: http://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5e57197ad10b431dacbb84c9

Any advice or help would be appreciated!
Im on my phone so i cant read shit lol

What are your mods again? Tell me everything.. i see something thats weird to me and i wanna see something first. Also, where are you? What elevation?

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I see youre in Washington... that explains it. Youre gas right now is terrible. Youll likely need to wait and see what it looks like when you dont have that winter blend. And what i was seeing was your low maf readings. The elevation explains that and your wastegate duty cycle. Its normal. Youd likely benefit from and intake and inlet pipe.

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Alright - Updated logs with 4oz of boostane (should bring octane to 92-93ish if my gas is not up to snuff for ACN tune). Still feel there is some inconsistencies or something weird going with the 7.1 tune or my car re: log 3 below. These were all done in succession and in order below.

Log 1: (sorry this log is long) 2nd to 3rd with traction control interfering, looks decent 2nd cylinder timing isn't great into 3rd: http://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5e571819d10b431dacbb84b0

Log 2: 3rd and barely into 4th WGDC at 99% and timing doesn't correct going into 4th well: http://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5e57184ad10b431dacbb84b7

Log 3: Where I see the big issues. AFR in the 13's and wont come down to 12's like all other logs i've done. I felt something was off so let off before I hit redline. Timing pulled throughout: http://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5e571882d10b431dacbb84b9

Log 4: IAT is now getting higher but not about 100* as I had to wait at a light for minute. Timing pulled throughout and WGDC at 100 again: http://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5e57197ad10b431dacbb84c9

Any advice or help would be appreciated!
Im on my phone so i cant read shit lol

What are your mods again? Tell me everything.. i see something thats weird to me and i wanna see something first. Also, where are you? What elevation?

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I see youre in Washington... that explains it. Youre gas right now is terrible. Youll likely need to wait and see what it looks like when you dont have that winter blend. And what i was seeing was your low maf readings. The elevation explains that and your wastegate duty cycle. Its normal. Youd likely benefit from and intake and inlet pipe.
F10 535 EWG mods are in the signature, but gplus FMIC, VRSF downpipe, Remus mufflers and colder plugs gapped at .020.

In Washington so elevation is near sea level.

Wouldn't the octane boostane assist in the shitty winter blend? I can up it to 8oz to see what happens.

I've considered an inlet pipe, I also don't have a charge pipe yet due to the f10's design being a bit stronger.

The intake I've always read it doesn't do much but will consider as well.
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F10 535 EWG mods are in the signature, but gplus FMIC, VRSF downpipe, Remus mufflers and colder plugs gapped at .020.

In Washington so elevation is near sea level.

Wouldn't the octane boostane assist in the shitty winter blend? I can up it to 8oz to see what happens.

I've considered an inlet pipe, I also don't have a charge pipe yet due to the f10's design being a bit stronger.

The intake I've always read it doesn't do much but will consider as well.
try do a log on the stock map and see what your timing is like with boostane if its still all over the place then the gas is really really really shitty
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Was able to grab a 3rd gear and 4th gear log this morning on Stage 2 E30 v7.1. The latest revision is FIRE. All issues have been cleared up. This runs better than my v6.4 map where I would see HPFP crash at high RPM on E30 sometimes. The corn cleaned up my timing nicely. I think these are some of the cleanest logs I've taken.

3rd Gear
http://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5e5646f4d10b431dacbb7ac2

4th Gear
http://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5e56471bd10b431dacbb7ac4
i see you are still over boosting between like 2800-5000 rpm on both logs. is this not bad for the compressor wheel?during that same period you get ever so slight throttle closures. im not expert but if thats all good and doesnt really affect much then 7.1 looks very good
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Alright - Updated logs with 4oz of boostane (should bring octane to 92-93ish if my gas is not up to snuff for ACN tune). Still feel there is some inconsistencies or something weird going with the 7.1 tune or my car re: log 3 below. These were all done in succession and in order below.

Log 1: (sorry this log is long) 2nd to 3rd with traction control interfering, looks decent 2nd cylinder timing isn't great into 3rd: http://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5e571819d10b431dacbb84b0

Log 2: 3rd and barely into 4th WGDC at 99% and timing doesn't correct going into 4th well: http://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5e57184ad10b431dacbb84b7

Log 3: Where I see the big issues. AFR in the 13's and wont come down to 12's like all other logs i've done. I felt something was off so let off before I hit redline. Timing pulled throughout: http://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5e571882d10b431dacbb84b9

Log 4: IAT is now getting higher but not about 100* as I had to wait at a light for minute. Timing pulled throughout and WGDC at 100 again: http://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5e57197ad10b431dacbb84c9

Any advice or help would be appreciated!
For shitty west coast gas your timing actually doesn't look too bad. The major issue I see is your HPFP takes a shit in every one of those logs.

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i see you are still over boosting between like 2800-5000 rpm on both logs. is this not bad for the compressor wheel?during that same period you get ever so slight throttle closures. im not expert but if thats all good and doesnt really affect much then 7.1 looks very good
Evidently the slight overboost (+2 PSI) is inline with the new tuning strategy. According the Halim, the DME won't cut throttle until its more the 3PSI over target. Here is a quote from another thread where someone was aksing about the overboost.

"Boost target is just a baseline for how the boost curve should act. You can always go with the stage 1 OTS maps for less boost target and actual boost.

The OTS maps suit a lot of users, of course there will always be 1 or 2 cars that react completely different and by that we are always ready to sort it out.

Emailing support is a step in the right direction."

Also, I sent me logs into tPTF to review and this was Halim's response...

"Nice !!!! Actually we might be able to bump up power slightly here, lol."

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For shitty west coast gas your timing actually doesn't look too bad. The major issue I see is your HPFP takes a shit in every one of those logs.



Evidently the slight overboost (+2 PSI) is inline with the new tuning strategy. According the Halim, the DME won't cut throttle until its more the 3PSI over target. Here is a quote from another thread where someone was aksing about the overboost.

"Boost target is just a baseline for how the boost curve should act. You can always go with the stage 1 OTS maps for less boost target and actual boost.

The OTS maps suit a lot of users, of course there will always be 1 or 2 cars that react completely different and by that we are always ready to sort it out.

Emailing support is a step in the right direction."

Also, I sent me logs into tPTF to review and this was Halim's response...

"Nice !!!! Actually we might be able to bump up power slightly here, lol."

Cheers,
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From what I've read the HPFP crashes when you are requesting too much fuel and it can't keep up. If you look at the STFT it's <1 which I think means it is asking for less fuel to keep the AFR on track? Is this indicative of my HPFP taking shit? From what I've seen I wouldn't expect the HPFP to crash unless you're pushing the tune.

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http://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5e57e3eed10b431dacbb8e4b

This is with the new 7.1 update. Stage 2 98 RON. What do you guys think?
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F10 535 EWG mods are in the signature, but gplus FMIC, VRSF downpipe, Remus mufflers and colder plugs gapped at .020.

In Washington so elevation is near sea level.

Wouldn't the octane boostane assist in the shitty winter blend? I can up it to 8oz to see what happens.

I've considered an inlet pipe, I also don't have a charge pipe yet due to the f10's design being a bit stronger.

The intake I've always read it doesn't do much but will consider as well.
Youll having throttle issues and fuel pump issues... Youre also not maxing out your air flow on the maf.

Pull the maf sensors and clean it with the crc mass air flow cleaner stuff. Im curious if that reading is correct or if you have some oil or gunk on the maf.
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From what I've read the HPFP crashes when you are requesting too much fuel and it can't keep up. If you look at the STFT it's <1 which I think means it is asking for less fuel to keep the AFR on track? Is this indicative of my HPFP taking shit? From what I've seen I wouldn't expect the HPFP to crash unless you're pushing the tune.



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HPFP "crashing" generally refers to the HPFP actual psi (rail pressure) dropping below what the target is. So basically what you said - you have more air than you can supply fuel - the HPFP can't keep up with the fuel demand for the amount of air you are flowing.

STFT is different, although somewhat related. STFT is basically the correction based on the O2 sensor to either add to subtract fuel compared to how much fuel the DME originally thought was needed. So STFT <1 means the DME is reducing the amount of fuel while STFT > 1 means the DME is adding more fuel - both to keep the AFT on track as you mentioned. As far as i know this is only based on AFR actual vs. target. In other words, i don't think the DME uses HPFP data to adjust STFT, only the O2 sensor.

Not sure what you mean by "pushing the tune" but the recent BM3 maps seem to be pushing the limit of the HPFP based on the amount of boost they are running (and air they are flowing).
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http://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5e57e3eed10b431dacbb8e4b

This is with the new 7.1 update. Stage 2 98 RON. What do you guys think?
Damn good octane there! Nice.
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This is with the new 7.1 update. Stage 2 98 RON. What do you guys think?
Damn good octane there! Nice.
What about the log 😅
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http://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5e57e3eed10b431dacbb8e4b

This is with the new 7.1 update. Stage 2 98 RON. What do you guys think?
Looks pretty good. timing isnt perfect but its actually pretty solid otherwise.
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This is with the new 7.1 update. Stage 2 98 RON. What do you guys think?
Looks pretty good. timing isnt perfect but its actually pretty solid otherwise.
I ordered custom tune by cary jordan but hpfp crashes. Now im waiting for HDP6 hpfp to come and next week will try it.Even with ots v7.1 i see stock hpfp cant keep up the preassure target in higher rpm...
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From what I've read the HPFP crashes when you are requesting too much fuel and it can't keep up. If you look at the STFT it's <1 which I think means it is asking for less fuel to keep the AFR on track? Is this indicative of my HPFP taking shit? From what I've seen I wouldn't expect the HPFP to crash unless you're pushing the tune.



Will do!
HPFP "crashing" generally refers to the HPFP actual psi (rail pressure) dropping below what the target is. So basically what you said - you have more air than you can supply fuel - the HPFP can't keep up with the fuel demand for the amount of air you are flowing.

STFT is different, although somewhat related. STFT is basically the correction based on the O2 sensor to either add to subtract fuel compared to how much fuel the DME originally thought was needed. So STFT <1 means the DME is reducing the amount of fuel while STFT > 1 means the DME is adding more fuel - both to keep the AFT on track as you mentioned. As far as i know this is only based on AFR actual vs. target. In other words, i don't think the DME uses HPFP data to adjust STFT, only the O2 sensor.

Not sure what you mean by "pushing the tune" but the recent BM3 maps seem to be pushing the limit of the HPFP based on the amount of boost they are running (and air they are flowing).
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F10 535 EWG mods are in the signature, but gplus FMIC, VRSF downpipe, Remus mufflers and colder plugs gapped at .020.

In Washington so elevation is near sea level.

Wouldn't the octane boostane assist in the shitty winter blend? I can up it to 8oz to see what happens.

I've considered an inlet pipe, I also don't have a charge pipe yet due to the f10's design being a bit stronger.

The intake I've always read it doesn't do much but will consider as well.
Youll having throttle issues and fuel pump issues... Youre also not maxing out your air flow on the maf.

Pull the maf sensors and clean it with the crc mass air flow cleaner stuff. Im curious if that reading is correct or if you have some oil or gunk on the maf.
Going to clean the MAF and TMAP this weekend. But went to Stage 1 ACN to see how it reacted. MAF readings are still similar to the STG2. Looks really clean: http://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5e592d23d10b435e0edf32a1


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From what I've read the HPFP crashes when you are requesting too much fuel and it can't keep up. If you look at the STFT it's <1 which I think means it is asking for less fuel to keep the AFR on track? Is this indicative of my HPFP taking shit? From what I've seen I wouldn't expect the HPFP to crash unless you're pushing the tune.



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HPFP "crashing" generally refers to the HPFP actual psi (rail pressure) dropping below what the target is. So basically what you said - you have more air than you can supply fuel - the HPFP can't keep up with the fuel demand for the amount of air you are flowing.

STFT is different, although somewhat related. STFT is basically the correction based on the O2 sensor to either add to subtract fuel compared to how much fuel the DME originally thought was needed. So STFT <1 means the DME is reducing the amount of fuel while STFT > 1 means the DME is adding more fuel - both to keep the AFT on track as you mentioned. As far as i know this is only based on AFR actual vs. target. In other words, i don't think the DME uses HPFP data to adjust STFT, only the O2 sensor.

Not sure what you mean by "pushing the tune" but the recent BM3 maps seem to be pushing the limit of the HPFP based on the amount of boost they are running (and air they are flowing).
Thanks for the deeper explanation that makes sense. That's exactly what I meant by "pushing the tune" to limits of OTS. Also wondering if the intake and design of the F10 is slightly more limiting than f20/30 designs. Log above looks a lot cleaner for sure at STG 1.
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Going to clean the MAF and TMAP this weekend. But went to Stage 1 ACN to see how it reacted. MAF readings are still similar to the STG2. Looks really clean: http://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5e592d23d10b435e0edf32a1




Thanks for the deeper explanation that makes sense. That's exactly what I meant by "pushing the tune" to limits of OTS. Also wondering if the intake and design of the F10 is slightly more limiting than f20/30 designs. Log above looks a lot cleaner for sure at STG 1.
Yeah, you should be maxing out the maf reading. if you truly arent maxing it then you have a restriction on the in side of the turbo somewhere.
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