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If the radius of a "donut" is much larger than that of the RWD car, then it's "understeer" relative to the RWD car. Let's not forget, these cars are set up to understeer in stock configuration. |
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Why my x-drive is not there, Wish that snow one day se me here in Norway. I play good whit it.
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Understeer occurs when the front wheel loses grip before the rear wheel, resulting in a wider turning radius than normal for the angle of the wheels. You can't do donuts with understeer. Oversteer is when the rear wheels lose traction before the front ones, resulting in a sharper turning radius than normal for the angle of the turning wheels. If you're saying the car is oversteering less than the RWD might that's true. It's called having better traction, not understeering. Quote:
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No, I think he's saying you can induce oversteer in the car, relatively easily. In other words, unlike, say a Camry, it has relatively neutral handling and doesn't just understeer until it hits a wall. Some people think doing donuts is what defines "fun." I don't agree, but even by that definition the xDrive works just fine.
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I love you guys, but this thread is a parade of people talking out of their asses.
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I just notice all the injudicious flinging of terms like "FWD-based," torque-split ratios, and AWD system response times. Clearly, and with exception I'm sure, all this is stuff people read about on an internet forum when someone else said it, or maybe saw it in an advertisement, and have no idea what it really means or how it affects the way a car works or feels. There's also a bunch of simply incorrect data in this thread, presented as fact.
I love me some internet enthusiast board. But, wow, everybody please verify any objective information you get here before you use it to make a decision.
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I love you guys too but y'all trying to get Donald Trump elected as president so as far as I can tell this thread is going exactly as expected.
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Pleasure me with your thoughts on why you think RWD is more fun than xDrive, the way BMW has designed it, then. The fun in RWD is the inherit ability to drift, oversteer, and challenge the driver more. With the exception of more/better traction in a straight line with or without wet/snowy conditions, BMW has designed their system to behave more like a RWD vehicle, to keep the "fun" in driving, even with xDrive. For those of you who say RWD is better for tradition's sake, but have never explored the limits of your car in such a way, should have nothing to say about xDrive vs. RWD. As I said, BMW knows their stuff and has made xDrive as performance oriented as possible (versus the way other AWD systems are designed in conjunction with stability control systems) by allowing wheel spin, drifting, power sliding, and oversteer with DSC off. Furthermore, xDrive models are usually faster to 60mph than the same cars with RWD. The last point is especially noteworthy because xDrive adds significant weight to the car, making one suspect it would be slower to 60mph than it's RWD counterpart. With either model, drivers who have never turned DSC off are getting a very similar driving experience since the system cuts power and selectively applies the brakes whenever a hint of wheel slippage is detected. As I said, xDrive allows the driver to have his/her cake and eat it too, so long as individuals know how to manipulate the driving assistance/safety systems when it is appropriate to do so. If you insist on RWD because that's what most traditional race cars have always been, so be it. For amateur enthusiasts, xDrive not only allows one to let loose with DSC off when it's appropriate by simulating the RWD driving experience, it also facilitates safety and competence while driving in rainy and snow conditions. |
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I'm confused. Are you suggesting that southerners and west coasters ought to just go ahead and get xDrive?
I can buy a separate set of winter wheels and a couple of sets of winter tires with the $2,000 that xDrive costs. The is a sensation of the car being pushed along and through corners and on clover leaf exit and entrance ramps that isn't quite the same with xDrive. This is my fourth winter in Chicago with winter tires and I have never had a single problem with control in my car. xDrive is a great system, but I will still order here rather than buy an xDrive. I don't think there's much debate that Quattro is a sportier awd system than xDrive. That's Audi's thing. Last edited by tturedraider; 02-23-2016 at 08:55 PM.. |
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the name xDrive alone already sound less sporty than Quattro.
it's like 4matic. I mean what the heck?
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