Tune options for N20?

Team503 · 07-30-2018, 04:10 PM

I'm an N54 guy and haven't paid any attention to the options for the N20, but a buddy wants to tune his N20 powered wagon. I checked and neither MHD nor Cobb seem to offer a tune, so what are his options and what are their ups and downs?

So far, my research has uncovered a JB+/JB4 piggyback, a Dinan chip, a RaceChip tuner, and an "AA8".

Am I missing any? What's the deal with each? It's a 2014 328 wagon auto.

Diegov209 · 07-30-2018, 04:58 PM

If your looking for a flash tune go with Bootmod3 also I'm terms of mods catless dp from wagner, Vrsf, Evolution racewerks etc., Afe intake or injen intake or even mst performance intake, GFB DV+, fmic from Vrsf, ATM, CSF etc... Stg 2 lpfp from fuel it get some colder spark plugs s55 or ngk laser iridium, exhaust I have muffler and res delete so If your looking to buy one I'd say awe tuning or borla

sspade · 07-30-2018, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Team503

I'm an N54 guy and haven't paid any attention to the options for the N20, but a buddy wants to tune his N20 powered wagon. I checked and neither MHD nor Cobb seem to offer a tune, so what are his options and what are their ups and downs?

So far, my research has uncovered a JB+/JB4 piggyback, a Dinan chip, a RaceChip tuner, and an "AA8".

Am I missing any? What's the deal with each? It's a 2014 328 wagon auto.

Tell him he should go with a flash tune, not a piggy back. Options are:

Bootmod3 (BM3)
Bimmer Performance Center
Velos Designwerks
Active Autowerke

rjd_F30 · 07-30-2018, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sspade

Tell him he should go with a flash tune, not a piggy back. Options are:

Bootmod3 (BM3)
Bimmer Performance Center
Velos Designwerks
Active Autowerke

+1. Double +1 for Bootmod3 by ProTuningFreaks

Diegov209 · 07-30-2018, 08:21 PM

Oh yeah Bimmer Performance Center

mike@x-ph.com · 08-02-2018, 07:03 PM

Check out the thread i have comparing the different tunes, im planning on adding BM3 to the list very soon

https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...highlight=tune

hon2bmw · 08-02-2018, 09:33 PM

There's also the ESS E-Flash.

Phil@BPC · 08-08-2018, 08:53 AM

We also have an option for you as well

https://bimmerperformancecenter.com/...ars-dme-tuning

fondoo1287 · 08-09-2018, 01:23 PM

im getting good gains with dinan piggyback with bm3

Diegov209 · 08-09-2018, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Phil@BPC

We also have an option for you as well

https://bimmerperformancecenter.com/...ars-dme-tuning

Hey Phil I have an E30 tune from you guys it's great lol also I've been trying to email Bob but Idk if he's been getting my emails for another tune.

Phil@BPC · 08-10-2018, 09:34 AM

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Team503 · 08-11-2018, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Diegov209

If your looking for a flash tune go with Bootmod3 also I'm terms of mods catless dp from wagner, Vrsf, Evolution racewerks etc., Afe intake or injen intake or even mst performance intake, GFB DV+, fmic from Vrsf, ATM, CSF etc... Stg 2 lpfp from fuel it get some colder spark plugs s55 or ngk laser iridium, exhaust I have muffler and res delete so If your looking to buy one I'd say awe tuning or borla

Are there inlets for the N20? Or is there no need?

And thanks everyone for the input! I'm going to steer him towards the Bootmod3 I think.

rjd_F30 · 08-11-2018, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Team503

Are there inlets for the N20? Or is there no need?

And thanks everyone for the input! I'm going to steer him towards the Bootmod3 I think.

Good choice, I would just let him know that there is a chance that there will be kinks that need to be worked out, but PTF is awesome at helping with that. Nothing major is likely to happen, but kinks. Kind of the nature of OTS maps. I had/have a few (all minor) and I wished someone told me to expect them, so here I am telling you

MRMIAGI · 08-12-2018, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by fondoo1287

im getting good gains with dinan piggyback with bm3

How does those two devices work in conjunction with each other? It was my understanding that the BM3 was better being a full DME unlock which would pretty much negate the point of a piggyback no?

rjd_F30 · 08-12-2018, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MRMIAGI

How does those two devices work in conjunction with each other? It was my understanding that the BM3 was better being a full DME unlock which would pretty much negate the point of a piggyback no?

People like to stack JB4 with a flash tune for running meth and E, I believe. But I'm not exactly sure one would realize any benefits to stacking a Dinan tune and a flash tune.

MRMIAGI · 08-12-2018, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by rjdnyy224

Quote:

Originally Posted by MRMIAGI

How does those two devices work in conjunction with each other? It was my understanding that the BM3 was better being a full DME unlock which would pretty much negate the point of a piggyback no?

People like to stack JB4 with a flash tune for running meth and E, I believe. But I'm not exactly sure one would realize any benefits to stacking a Dinan tune and a flash tune.

But it's basically just another way to control it right? (The meth for example) It doesn't literally give additional power gains I don't believe. Yeah I was thinking the same thing.

rjd_F30 · 08-13-2018, 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MRMIAGI

But it's basically just another way to control it right? (The meth for example) It doesn't literally give additional power gains I don't believe. Yeah I was thinking the same thing.

Yes, the JB4 is just used as a controller for the meth. It doesn't award any additional power in it's own right, but obviously the proper control and use of a water methanol kit will.

Naiters · 08-20-2018, 01:41 AM

Hey Guys,

I have tuned my f30 320i pre LCI to 266 hp / 356 Nm torque. What do you think about the chart, doesn't the maximum torque come up too late?

https://ibb.co/j7KPse

Best regards

rjd_F30 · 08-20-2018, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Naiters

Hey Guys,

I have tuned my f30 320i pre LCI to 266 hp / 356 Nm torque. What do you think about the chart, doesn't the maximum torque come up too late?

https://ibb.co/j7KPse

Best regards

Torque curve looks nice for an N20, fairly flat and not too low-rpm peaky.

Steakpizza · 08-20-2018, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Naiters

Hey Guys,

I have tuned my f30 320i pre LCI to 266 hp / 356 Nm torque. What do you think about the chart, doesn't the maximum torque come up too late?

https://ibb.co/j7KPse

Best regards

Which tune is that? Looks good

Naiters · 08-22-2018, 04:09 AM

It is a custom tune that I have flashed at a local tuner

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They have also tuned another 320i n20 with a different result:

https://ibb.co/iPZpfz

So around 45 Nm of torque more and the curve is much sharper than mine.

Also the drop in power above 6.5k RPM is significantly less sudden. My car drops like about 40% of its power in this range till the redline.

The tuner claims that the tune is the same, it is only that cars respond differently to the same remap.

What do you guys think, what matters for the differences in such scenario?

Steakpizza · 08-22-2018, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Naiters

It is a custom tune that I have flashed at a local tuner

.

They have also tuned another 320i n20 with a different result:

https://ibb.co/iPZpfz

So around 45 Nm of torque more and the curve is much sharper than mine.

Also the drop in power above 6.5k RPM is significantly less sudden. My car drops like about 40% of its power in this range till the redline.

The tuner claims that the tune is the same, it is only that cars respond differently to the same remap.

What do you guys think, what matters for the differences in such scenario?

You have real nice numbers as it is lol. Is it stock? Any additions?

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Diegov209 Captain 165 Rep 657 Posts Drives: 540i Xdrive Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Riverbank,CA iTrader: (0)	If your looking for a flash tune go with Bootmod3 also I'm terms of mods catless dp from wagner, Vrsf, Evolution racewerks etc., Afe intake or injen intake or even mst performance intake, GFB DV+, fmic from Vrsf, ATM, CSF etc... Stg 2 lpfp from fuel it get some colder spark plugs s55 or ngk laser iridium, exhaust I have muffler and res delete so If your looking to buy one I'd say awe tuning or borla __________________ Current: 2017 Bmw 540i M sport bluestone metallic Previous:F30 328i 2012 PWG: FBO Vrsf 6 stepped fmic, Afe intake, Catless DP ER, FTP CP's, FTP turbo inlet, GFB DV+, Gplus oil cooler, BM3 stg 2 tune, Cary Jordan E50 tuned stock fuel system.
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Naiters Enlisted Member 11 Rep 38 Posts Drives: f30 320i 2012 year Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Poland iTrader: (0)	Hey Guys, I have tuned my f30 320i pre LCI to 266 hp / 356 Nm torque. What do you think about the chart, doesn't the maximum torque come up too late? https://ibb.co/j7KPse Best regards
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Naiters Enlisted Member 11 Rep 38 Posts Drives: f30 320i 2012 year Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Poland iTrader: (0)	It is a custom tune that I have flashed at a local tuner . They have also tuned another 320i n20 with a different result: https://ibb.co/iPZpfz So around 45 Nm of torque more and the curve is much sharper than mine. Also the drop in power above 6.5k RPM is significantly less sudden. My car drops like about 40% of its power in this range till the redline. The tuner claims that the tune is the same, it is only that cars respond differently to the same remap. What do you guys think, what matters for the differences in such scenario?
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