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      02-20-2016, 11:12 PM   #45
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I can do donuts in my Audi in snow. It starts 40% front 60% rear. This annual thread is great.
The xDrive system, as permanent as it is, will do complete oversteer with DSC off into a donut. It's radius is much larger than that of a donut done with a RWD car, but it can be done. I have done it, and there are videos all over you tube with xDrive vehicles performing the maneuver. So don't let anyone tell you otherwise or that xDrive isn't at all as fun to drive as a RWD Bimmer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mG1_jTjZzaU
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      02-22-2016, 09:57 AM   #46
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Bad driving conditions make for excellent skiing conditions.
How true
If I did not ski, I wouldn't get xDrive on this car, but life is full of compromises...
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      02-22-2016, 10:06 AM   #47
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The xDrive system, as permanent as it is, will do complete oversteer with DSC off into a donut. It's radius is much larger than that of a donut done with a RWD car, but it can be done. I have done it, and there are videos all over you tube with xDrive vehicles performing the maneuver. So don't let anyone tell you otherwise or that xDrive isn't at all as fun to drive as a RWD Bimmer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mG1_jTjZzaU
That's called understeer.
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      02-22-2016, 12:14 PM   #48
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That's called understeer.
Err... no. It's called oversteer. Look at the video.
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      02-22-2016, 12:18 PM   #49
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The xDrive system, as permanent as it is, will do complete oversteer with DSC off into a donut. It's radius is much larger than that of a donut done with a RWD car, but it can be done. I have done it, and there are videos all over you tube with xDrive vehicles performing the maneuver. So don't let anyone tell you otherwise or that xDrive isn't at all as fun to drive as a RWD Bimmer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mG1_jTjZzaU
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That's called understeer.
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Err... no. It's called oversteer. Look at the video.
It's based on what pjohns has said.

If the radius of a "donut" is much larger than that of the RWD car, then it's "understeer" relative to the RWD car.

Let's not forget, these cars are set up to understeer in stock configuration.
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I had the G37x for 3 years.
It behaves like the xDrive for most part but the xDrive would let the rear slip a bit more.

I was able to survive the massive snow storm in Dec 2010 where the city decided to not plow the streets. My G37x with Goodyear Eagle All-season did an amazing job going through 6"-12" of unplowed streets. Took me 8 hours to get home from Long Island that supposed to be normally 2 hours trip. Along the way all kinds of cars were abandoned on the side of the highways. I was offered $350 to give a guy ride home because his Ford was stuck at an intersection.

Even the plow truck got stuck with chain around the block and left a big pot hole after.

Why my x-drive is not there, Wish that snow one day se me here in Norway.
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      02-22-2016, 12:40 PM   #51
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It's based on what pjohns has said.

If the radius of a "donut" is much larger than that of the RWD car, then it's "understeer" relative to the RWD car.
Please look up the meaning of the word understeer.

Understeer occurs when the front wheel loses grip before the rear wheel, resulting in a wider turning radius than normal for the angle of the wheels. You can't do donuts with understeer.

Oversteer is when the rear wheels lose traction before the front ones, resulting in a sharper turning radius than normal for the angle of the turning wheels.

If you're saying the car is oversteering less than the RWD might that's true. It's called having better traction, not understeering.



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Let's not forget, these cars are set up to understeer in stock configuration.
Both AWD and RWD are set up to understeer at first - in fact most cars are, even 911s. It's safer because when you brake, the weight transfers forward and you get traction back, whereas braking with oversteer will send you into a tailspin. This has nothing whatsoever to do with what he said.

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      02-22-2016, 12:56 PM   #52
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If you're saying the car is oversteering less than the RWD might that's true. It's called having better traction, not understeering.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with what he said.
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The xDrive system, as permanent as it is, will do complete oversteer with DSC off into a donut. It's radius is much larger than that of a donut done with a RWD car, but it can be done. I have done it, and there are videos all over you tube with xDrive vehicles performing the maneuver. So don't let anyone tell you otherwise or that xDrive isn't at all as fun to drive as a RWD Bimmer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mG1_jTjZzaU
Is his position that as long as you can exceed a certain threshold of oversteer, the car is now fun?

I think that's a pretty simplistic way of determining whether a car is "fun".
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Is his position that as long as you can exceed a certain threshold of oversteer, the car is now fun?

I think that's a pretty simplistic way of determining whether a car is "fun".
No, I think he's saying you can induce oversteer in the car, relatively easily. In other words, unlike, say a Camry, it has relatively neutral handling and doesn't just understeer until it hits a wall. Some people think doing donuts is what defines "fun." I don't agree, but even by that definition the xDrive works just fine.
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      02-22-2016, 02:33 PM   #54
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I love you guys, but this thread is a parade of people talking out of their asses.
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From the description and the video it sounds a lot like the system BMW is using on the new F48 X1. It too is fwd until the need for awd is sensed.
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      02-22-2016, 06:03 PM   #57
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From the description and the video it sounds a lot like the system BMW is using on the new F48 X1. It too is fwd until the need for awd is sensed.
Will they change their logo from the four rings to two rings?
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      02-22-2016, 10:20 PM   #58
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I love you guys, but this thread is a parade of people talking out of their asses.
Thank you, at least the other people I usually start arguing with about xDrive try to speak in technical terms. These are the BMW enthusiasts of our world, folks!!!
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      02-23-2016, 04:13 AM   #59
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Thank you, at least the other people I usually start arguing with about xDrive try to speak in technical terms. These are the BMW enthusiasts of our world, folks!!!
There is always a lot of butt-hurt whenever it's an xDrive vs. RWD or xDrive vs. Quattro thread.
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I just notice all the injudicious flinging of terms like "FWD-based," torque-split ratios, and AWD system response times. Clearly, and with exception I'm sure, all this is stuff people read about on an internet forum when someone else said it, or maybe saw it in an advertisement, and have no idea what it really means or how it affects the way a car works or feels. There's also a bunch of simply incorrect data in this thread, presented as fact.

I love me some internet enthusiast board. But, wow, everybody please verify any objective information you get here before you use it to make a decision.
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wow, everybody please verify any objective information you get here before you use it to make a decision.
I love you guys too but y'all trying to get Donald Trump elected as president so as far as I can tell this thread is going exactly as expected.
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      02-23-2016, 08:36 PM   #62
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Pleasure me with your thoughts on why you think RWD is more fun than xDrive, the way BMW has designed it, then. The fun in RWD is the inherit ability to drift, oversteer, and challenge the driver more. With the exception of more/better traction in a straight line with or without wet/snowy conditions, BMW has designed their system to behave more like a RWD vehicle, to keep the "fun" in driving, even with xDrive. For those of you who say RWD is better for tradition's sake, but have never explored the limits of your car in such a way, should have nothing to say about xDrive vs. RWD. As I said, BMW knows their stuff and has made xDrive as performance oriented as possible (versus the way other AWD systems are designed in conjunction with stability control systems) by allowing wheel spin, drifting, power sliding, and oversteer with DSC off. Furthermore, xDrive models are usually faster to 60mph than the same cars with RWD. The last point is especially noteworthy because xDrive adds significant weight to the car, making one suspect it would be slower to 60mph than it's RWD counterpart. With either model, drivers who have never turned DSC off are getting a very similar driving experience since the system cuts power and selectively applies the brakes whenever a hint of wheel slippage is detected. As I said, xDrive allows the driver to have his/her cake and eat it too, so long as individuals know how to manipulate the driving assistance/safety systems when it is appropriate to do so. If you insist on RWD because that's what most traditional race cars have always been, so be it. For amateur enthusiasts, xDrive not only allows one to let loose with DSC off when it's appropriate by simulating the RWD driving experience, it also facilitates safety and competence while driving in rainy and snow conditions.
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I'm confused. Are you suggesting that southerners and west coasters ought to just go ahead and get xDrive?

I can buy a separate set of winter wheels and a couple of sets of winter tires with the $2,000 that xDrive costs.

The is a sensation of the car being pushed along and through corners and on clover leaf exit and entrance ramps that isn't quite the same with xDrive. This is my fourth winter in Chicago with winter tires and I have never had a single problem with control in my car.

xDrive is a great system, but I will still order here rather than buy an xDrive.

I don't think there's much debate that Quattro is a sportier awd system than xDrive. That's Audi's thing.

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the name xDrive alone already sound less sporty than Quattro.

it's like 4matic. I mean what the heck?
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wow, everybody please verify any objective information you get here before you use it to make a decision.
I love you guys too but y'all trying to get Donald Trump elected as president so as far as I can tell this thread is going exactly as expected.
Not me, buddy.
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Not me, buddy.
Or me!!! This whole thing is just beyond my ability to comprehend.
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