[enjoythemusic]

N55 engine in 435i. Sorry, i should have been specific

Edited my above post accordingly. The stock DV is a known weakness in the N55 with lots of boost (22psi in Dinan Stage 4) and so the stock DV doesnt hold pressure well between boost events. Go Fast Bits DV+ is a bolt on solution. Hope this helps.

[Revelator]

Anybody with a 6MT have any feedback to share on the MPPSK Elite? I may pull the trigger on this later this summer but I'm hoping that the power delivery is still smooth enough for daily driving.

[N33D4SP33D]

If we have a mppsk and add the tune would we not have an issue due to the unique nature of how the DME is setup with a hard cap on fueling around 380-400whp.?

[blckz06]

Originally Posted by BASELINE

Fair points... if the program is boost additive and not absolute value the car could be hitting the fuel cap limit up top when combined with MPPSK.

+1

Can we get Dinan to chime in on this?

[N33D4SP33D]

Originally Posted by Beek

Loving the Delta's and I know that is the important part ... but I do feel the numbers are too low. Most stock dyno's are coming in around 330 WHP and MPPSK should take them to 365 WHP or so.

OP, is your 440 xDrive? Might account for some lower than expected numbers.

X-drive lowers your hp that much?

[Beek]

Originally Posted by N33D4SP33D

X-drive lowers your hp that much?

It should not but it does take some additional power to drive the front axles, if I had to guess I would say if a RWD has 13% power loss for the drive train xDrive might go up to 14%. This is purely speculation on my part, I'll be happy to consider any other points of view or preferrably some cold hard facts.

edit: In fact xDrive doesn't lower HP but may lower the amount of HP you can put to the ground, HP to crank is not affected by the drive train.

[riskmaker76]

Terry from BMS stated

MPPSK actually adds a little more ceiling... in turn, the JB4 (and some tweaking) is using this added ceiling...

Maybe Dinan is doing this too..

Originally Posted by blckz06

+1

Can we get Dinan to chime in on this?

[Beek]

Originally Posted by riskmaker76

Terry from BMS stated

MPPSK actually adds a little more ceiling... in turn, the JB4 (and some tweaking) is using this added ceiling...

Maybe Dinan is doing this too..

Can you be more specific in regards to "ceiling"? Is Terry referring to the fuel cap? A link to his comment? Not trying to put you on the spot, just curious.

[riskmaker76]

I was paraphrasing...

But here is the thread:
http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showpo...4&postcount=23

Originally Posted by Beek

Can you be more specific in regards to "ceiling"? Is Terry referring to the fuel cap? A link to his comment? Not trying to put you on the spot, just curious.

[CruzM3]

So it's been discovered that MPPSK does raise the fuel limit? Previously it was said that it doesn't but I have not been able to test it either way. If it does then that's great news even if it's a small amount.

[Beek]

Originally Posted by Cruz28/40

So it's been discovered that MPPSK does raise the fuel limit? Previously it was said that it doesn't but I have not been able to test it either way. If it does then that's great news even if it's a small amount.

I ... think so. Terry's post is gramatically poor, he speaks of the BMS Meth Billet WMI spacer (I think) and that clouds the issue, for me anyway. Here is the exact quote if anyone wants to see it.

"With the JB4 Bullitt as also added in the fuel pressure control connector which lets us extend his fuel trims slightly. Since we have more room to work with on fueling with the PPK it's a good use of it."



edit: Bullitt = Billet, more I think about it more I think not so mainly I'm just

[riskmaker76]

Here is some more detail on this:

http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showpo...72&postcount=2

Read the FAQ "Can I run E85 with this platform?" - Looks like they updated the FAQ with some detail about it.

Originally Posted by Beek

I ... think so. Terry's post is gramatically poor, he speaks of the BMS Meth Billet WMI spacer (I think) and that clouds the issue, for me anyway. Here is the exact quote if anyone wants to see it.

"With the JB4 Bullitt as also added in the fuel pressure control connector which lets us extend his fuel trims slightly. Since we have more room to work with on fueling with the PPK it's a good use of it."



edit: Bullitt = Billet, more I think about it more I think not so mainly I'm just

[monkiboy]

ordered the elite tuner for my 340xi w/ MPPSK. should have next week with holiday delay. will install and post up impressions and feedback.

[riskmaker76]

Curious does this have Bluetooth? If so what does the app do?

Also, does this need to be installed by he dealer or can I self install?

[FeelinBlessed]

Originally Posted by monkiboy

ordered the elite tuner for my 340xi w/ MPPSK. should have next week with holiday delay. will install and post up impressions and feedback.

Will you have dyno? It would've been better for me if you had a rwd lol

[monkiboy]

Originally Posted by riskmaker76

Curious does this have Bluetooth? If so what does the app do?

Also, does this need to be installed by he dealer or can I self install?

yes, sir.

"Dinan's ECU is Bluetooth® Smart meaning that you can change maps simply via a Bluetooth connection on your iPhone or Android device."

[monkiboy]

Originally Posted by FeelinBlessed

Will you have dyno? It would've been better for me if you had a rwd lol

i'll do a dyno after install after a few days more than likely. i thought of doing one prior to install so car has a settled factory MPPSK tune not a just-swapped map or dinan on base MPPSK map that hasn't settled but not sold on paying twice for dyno time and making the drive twice. it would be nice to see the deltas and provide the data. not sure.

[Dinan_Engineering]

Originally Posted by riskmaker76

Curious does this have Bluetooth? If so what does the app do?

Also, does this need to be installed by he dealer or can I self install?

Yes it had BT. App is essentially a stage switcher (when further stages become avaialble) and an on/off switch.

Dealer can install or it can be self installed. The only downside of a self install is the labor is not guaranteed so if it is improperly installed and an issue is caused due to it not being installed correctly then the warranty would not apply. As an example the battery is not unplugged for install and you short/brick the DME as a result. The warranty would not cover that.

[riskmaker76]

Thanks... can the app upgrade the firmware in the unit also?

Originally Posted by Dinan_Engineering

Yes it had BT. App is essentially a stage switcher (when further stages become avaialble) and an on/off switch.

Dealer can install or it can be self installed. The only downside of a self install is the labor is not guaranteed so if it is improperly installed and an issue is caused due to it not being installed correctly then the warranty would not apply. As an example the battery is not unplugged for install and you short/brick the DME as a result. The warranty would not cover that.

[High Flier]

Originally Posted by riskmaker76

Thanks... can the app upgrade the firmware in the unit also?

Yes, good question. Also, can the pre-MPPSK stage 1 be updated to the Elite?

[Dinan_Engineering]

Originally Posted by riskmaker76

Thanks... can the app upgrade the firmware in the unit also?

It cannot. At some point that is a goal but who knows when that may occur. Would require an overhaul of the backend portal with new security as the end-user would then technically have access to everything.

Originally Posted by High Flier

Yes, good question. Also, can the pre-MPPSK stage 1 be updated to the Elite?

Not sure what you mean. The SPORT unit cannot be upgraded to ELITE. Different systems. If you mean can the non-MPPSK stage 1 tune be switched over a MPPSK stage 1 tune the answer is no as well. It comes down to how the licensing is issued on our end in why that isnt possible. Always exceptions to the rule but thats the company line at least. Regardless, most folks will do 1 or the other and not do both considering the relatively minimal gains in doing so while doubling up the price. Early adopters of MPPSK are the most affected.

[High Flier]

Originally Posted by Dinan_Engineering

Not sure what you mean. The SPORT unit cannot be upgraded to ELITE. Different systems. If you mean can the non-MPPSK stage 1 tune be switched over a MPPSK stage 1 tune the answer is no as well. It comes down to how the licensing is issued on our end in why that isnt possible. Always exceptions to the rule but thats the company line at least.

The pre-MPPSK stage 1 is the Dinan Stage 1 not designed for use with a MPPSK. What you refer to as the Elite is listed on Dinan's website as the Stage 1 (MPPSK), which I thought was the subject of this thread. (By the way, the word "Elite" isn't found anywhere on Dinan's website.) Not sure how either of these could be confused with the SPORT.

The reason I asked this question was because some already have the Stage 1 installed and were thinking of getting the MPPSK installed. It sounds like they will need a completely new Stage 1 (MPPSK).

Regardless, most folks will do 1 or the other and not do both considering the relatively minimal gains in doing so while doubling up the price. Early adopters of MPPSK are the most affected.

"Do 1 or the other," is this with regards to the Stage 1 OR the MPPSK? Which configuration were you referring to that provides "relatively minimal gains"?