07-28-2018, 11:20 AM | #1 |
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Why dealers don't stock 6MT cars and why it's going away
There are several forum users, like me, who are confirmed 3-pedal drivers and who complain about the 6MT going away. I am getting a first-person example of BMW's position that there isn't enough demand. I have a 2-year-old F32 and I need to swap the 2-door for a 4-door because other "voters" in the household cannot deal with the more-difficult access. It is a nice 6-cyl very low-mileage car in a reasonable color (white with red) so I thought I wouldn't have a problem selling to a private party, either through a forum or BMW CCA, rather than trade it into a dealer who started out saying that his offer would be lower than low KBB wholesale because of the 6MT. I ordered a new car and listed mine for sale. I live in a large, metropolitan area so I thought there would be a reasonable amount of interest. Actually, there was none. No calls; no inquiries. I realize the F32 is not as big of a seller as the sedan, and perhaps I should have considered resale when I bought the coupe, but it was what I wanted and I still prefer the coupe over the sedan. I kept my last car (528i) for 18 years so I didn't worry about how I would dispose of it. I guess I am going to need to take it to carmax or something similar and see if they can do better than the dealer.
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Maybe you aren't advertising it in the right places...spend $30 on autotrader.com ad.... that's usually the first app I look at when searching used car prices. Also, what the story? Mileage? Warranty? Price??? Pics? GLWS |
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07-28-2018, 01:22 PM | #4 |
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I think it's just timing and the pool of potential buyers being smaller. The market for 6MT vehicles is indeed smaller and potential buyers aren't ready to buy in your area. Some buyers will however travel to other areas to buy the very vehicle they want.
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Nice car, but you're probably gonna have to come down on that price... Non m-sport, manual trans, private owner are some things working against you. Just from my perspective when I was shopping recently for my white f32 I only wanted m-sport edition and preferred CPO. I ended up finding a CPO with only 9,000 miles and under $29,000(428i white on black w/8AT though) Typically most German luxury cars take a big hit the second you drive it off the lot when you buy brand new. I would see what carmax will offer you, then maybe try to sale it for a couple thousand more than that by putting it on autotrader.com for a few weeks or how ever long you can wait. Joe Public isn't looking on these forums for used BMW's typically Either that or bite the bullet and try to work a good deal on a trade in. GLWS |
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You have to spend some money and advertise the car on cars.com and/or Autotrader. Going the cheap route and just listing on forums won't get you much exposure at all. You should also prepare for a few weeks, possibly a month before it sells.
It may also be worth it to try Carmax and see what they'd give you. |
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I just purchased a 328i sportline 6MT, I had to travel out of state to aquire it and had to put a deposit down on it to hold it for a couple weeks until I came up with the cash. I hunted for almost 2 months to find one with the 6MT, A few other out of staters were trying to swoop in on it too but I was like no way and put a deposit down on it asap. it's in my driveway now but it was tough to get. I found it on autotrader and the others that called on it saw it on autotrader too, so maybe start there.
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07-29-2018, 02:07 PM | #10 |
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You’ve got to (1) price it correctly and (2) make sure it’s seen.
Your car appears to be overpriced....bring it to Carmax just to get an idea of the pricing neighborhood. Then put it in a National or at least regional advertising entity. Putting it here just shows it to guys who already own one. Guys being a generic term. Anyone who wants a manual will seek it out, so your car needs to be in a place where they will see it.....and see it priced right. Best of luck. |
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07-29-2018, 04:50 PM | #11 |
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Dont come down on the price...
At this point, because of the "rarity" of the 6MT in any combination, the manual should be worth more than the more accessible auto. The right buyer will come if you advertise it nationwide. Don't low ball the manual, it is not making anyone a favor... Manual drive should invite desirability.... but Certainly not seen as an inconvenience, otherwise we are just letting the auto people win... "They be: "on top of working hard to drive, you are even losing more money on owning a manual..." I say no. It should be: "Owning a manual is rewarding financially and enthusiastically." If you lose money in selling your car, that's further ammo for your family to think and say manual are worthless... Manual are not worthless... Auto drivers are lazy: all of you. (There I said it). |
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Oh you will never sell that manual
. I'll offer you 10 K cash. |
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It's funny how guys like you neatly bin everyone as either auto or manual drivers, case closed. The reality is many of us who currently dd autos have also driven, and drive, manuals as well. I realize that complicates your "us vs them" perception of things, but sometimes reality has a way of doing that. |
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07-29-2018, 09:43 PM | #14 |
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The 10k offer is tempting, but . . .
I have it listed for 10% over the CarMax offer, which is less than they will mark it up. I just think there aren't enough crazy people who want manuals (like me) and we already have cars. I need to sell it in the next month because even I am not crazy enough to want to have 2. I have a 340ix that is ready to load onto a boat. |
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The save the manual guys will whine that the public is lazy, can't drive are inferior yada yada yada. Point is if that is true then selling a manual can't be done.
Regardless of the truth or non truth of the statement manuals are not popular as you have found out. BMW has figured out they are not popular anymore & are phasing them out. Two choices sell it to Carmax for whatever you can get & have cash in your hand right now. Hold onto it till a Unicorn comes your way that just has to have a non M sport, white & red BMW 6MT & will meet your price & can actually get the money. The fact that it is advertised here with no bites should tell you something. If it was my car I would sell it to Carmax.
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07-30-2018, 01:06 AM | #16 |
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carmax offer is good for a week, but it might be attractive if its close to a private party's price. Their check doesn't bounce; the title transfer gets done, and I don't need to deal with fake buyers who don't show up.
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07-30-2018, 09:49 AM | #17 |
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6-Spd/Manual Trans cars are super rare in NY, especially in upstate NY. If you want one 99.8 percent of the time it has to be factory built. Another dealer within 500 miles may have one. Also the current ZF Automatics are quicker shifting and more fuel efficient hence more people are picking these types of cars. The demand is just not there for a manual very much now a days. I happen to enjoy shifting my own gears on the way into the office every morning and heel/toe downshifting- listening to the blip of the throttle/gas, gets me every time.
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If Carmax is offering 90% of his asking price, he'd be a fool not to take it if he needs the car sold within a month. With all that said, I have no doubt that I'll be able to sell my 2016 M235 6MT, LSD equipped, no moonroof, no nav, and MW with Coral red interior for far more than most any other loaded 8AT M235 on the market. It will be extremely desirable to the driving enthusiast or those wanting a manual track car.
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Sorry to say it but if you've only posted it on here you're not even trying. It reminds me of the guy that his wife said he HAD to put his STI up for sale, so to satisfy her he listed it for like $60k.
If you really want to get it in front of a buyer then post it everywhere. Forums (multiple, i.e. bimmerpost, bimmerfest, thecarlounge, etc.), Facebook Marketplace, newspaper, craigslist, cars.com, etc. I can't even sell a set of wheels in a reasonable amount of time by just posting them on the classifieds. C'mon man. |
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I could imagine a manual transmission coupe without m sport package wouldn't be highly sought after.
But as previous posters have said you could be doing more...
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His is a non-msport so thats an issue for the person looking for a manual because typically thats a must if someones in the market
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