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      09-07-2018, 02:19 PM   #2223
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Discount is a little over 8% which isnt too bad. What the hell is 799 for a dealer fee? Kind of negates some of the dealer discount. I thought BMWFS APR is 4.15% this month
South Florida man, $799 is cheaper than most. Other dealer had over MSRP adjustment too.

Bought it the 31st. 2.25%
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      09-07-2018, 09:14 PM   #2224
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South Florida man, $799 is cheaper than most. Other dealer had over MSRP adjustment too.
All Florida. So far $725 is cheapest I've seen anywhere in FL from a German car dealer. I forgot what dealer fee was when I got my wife's Ford Flex 4 years ago, but I seem to be remembering $500+
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      09-14-2018, 08:17 PM   #2225
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I just got these 2 quotes, both 2018, a 440i and a 340i:

10k miles per year lease X 36 months with 2k down

2018 BMW 440i coupe.
MSRP: $64,145
Sale price: $57,280 ($2500 below invoice)
3k lease credit + 1k college grad + $1500 BMW loyalty = $594 plus tax = $651
56% residual .00166 MF

Stock # 384548 2018 BMW 340i
MSRP: $62,190
Sale price: $56,730 ($1800 below invoice)
3k lease credit + 1k college grad + 1k BMW loyalty = $554 plus tax = $607
61% residual .00166 MF

A few things I noticed. While I understand these aren't terrible deals, something isn't adding up. Am I crazy or, 1k loyalty + 1k grad + 3k lease cash = 5k in INCENTIVES?? So if they're selling the car for $5460 below sticker (340i), isn't that only a $460 dealer discount?

With the fact that the 340i is going to be replaced imminently, I feel that it warrants a 4-5k dealer discount alongside incentives no?

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(ps isn't the 440i's residual supposed to be 57%?)
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      09-16-2018, 08:37 AM   #2226
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I just got these 2 quotes, both 2018, a 440i and a 340i:

10k miles per year lease X 36 months with 2k down

2018 BMW 440i coupe.
MSRP: $64,145
Sale price: $57,280 ($2500 below invoice)
3k lease credit + 1k college grad + $1500 BMW loyalty = $594 plus tax = $651
56% residual .00166 MF

Stock # 384548 2018 BMW 340i
MSRP: $62,190
Sale price: $56,730 ($1800 below invoice)
3k lease credit + 1k college grad + 1k BMW loyalty = $554 plus tax = $607
61% residual .00166 MF

A few things I noticed. While I understand these aren't terrible deals, something isn't adding up. Am I crazy or, 1k loyalty + 1k grad + 3k lease cash = 5k in INCENTIVES?? So if they're selling the car for $5460 below sticker (340i), isn't that only a $460 dealer discount?

With the fact that the 340i is going to be replaced imminently, I feel that it warrants a 4-5k dealer discount alongside incentives no?

/rant

(ps isn't the 440i's residual supposed to be 57%?)
If those sales prices are before incentives then these are terrible deals. A 3 and 4 series should be easy to get around 10% off MSRP before incentives. Dont worry about how much below invoice that really means nothing.

Also you need to include how much cash up front. Is it just first month and dmv...taxes... cap cost reduction?
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      09-16-2018, 10:27 PM   #2227
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If those sales prices are before incentives then these are terrible deals. A 3 and 4 series should be easy to get around 10% off MSRP before incentives. Dont worry about how much below invoice that really means nothing.

Also you need to include how much cash up front. Is it just first month and dmv...taxes... cap cost reduction?
Sorry I just copy and pasted the quote, but this is with 2k DAS, don't have a breakdown of what makes it up though. And ya that's exactly what I was thinking in regards to discount!
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      09-17-2018, 07:08 AM   #2228
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If those sales prices are before incentives then these are terrible deals. A 3 and 4 series should be easy to get around 10% off MSRP before incentives. Dont worry about how much below invoice that really means nothing.

Also you need to include how much cash up front. Is it just first month and dmv...taxes... cap cost reduction?
Sorry I just copy and pasted the quote, but this is with 2k DAS, don't have a breakdown of what makes it up though. And ya that's exactly what I was thinking in regards to discount!
Its more than likely 1st, DMV and Bank Fee.. probably some tax from the rebate in there too.

Enter the numbers in on a lease calculator and see what you come up with....or enter in a "deal" on the calculator that you recieved from another place on a car with similiar MSRP and use that to counter. This way you have the math all figured out and talk just numbers.
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      09-20-2018, 12:38 PM   #2229
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september

2018 models

320,330
15k 57%
12k 59%
10k 60%

3k lease credit
1k loyalty

328d,340,330e
15k 58%
12k 60%
10k 61%

3k lease credit (5k for 330e)
1k loyalty

all 4 series
15k 54%
12k 56%
10k 57%

3k lease credit
1500 loyalty

2019 models

330GT,340GT
15k 58%
12k 60%
10k 61%

3k lease credit
1k loyalty

all 4 series (non M)
15k 54%
12k 56%
10k 57%

1500 lease credit
1500 loyalty


Is BMW offering anything for CPO/Used Cars?
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      09-20-2018, 01:51 PM   #2230
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Is BMW offering anything for CPO/Used Cars?
only for new cars at this time. nothing on used
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      09-20-2018, 11:56 PM   #2231
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Is this a good deal for a 330i? Or there still room to negoitate since the G20 is coming?
Purchase:

$50,400 MSRP
$45,900 Sales Price
$80 Doc Fee
$3,793.35 Sales Tax
$593 DMV
$7 CA Tire Disposal Fee

$50,373.35 Subtotal
$2,500 Rebate

$47,873.35 Total After Rebate

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      09-23-2018, 08:04 PM   #2232
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You could post the #'s off your paperwork if you really want to know what's up, but it doesn't really matter at this point, you signed.
There is always the next lease / purchase. To learn from your mis steps
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      09-23-2018, 11:11 PM   #2233
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There is always the next lease / purchase. To learn from your mis steps
And if a person finds out their deal "isnt good" they go from loving the car, to hating it. Nothing wrong with trying to learn etc, but the time to really dig into that is before you sign, not after. Once you sign, a person should just make their payments and enjoy the car (and possibly read about other deals to learn more).
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      09-25-2018, 12:38 PM   #2234
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jjrandorin, you have to have the right attitude about the situation. I am an amateur negotiator. So I don't dwell on my mistakes but instead use them to learn. The dealers are professionals and trained to separate you from your money. Just try to be aware of the tricks of the mind they use and try to not fall for them.

A few things I have learned from my past mistakes:
1) After they look at your trade, keep asking for the keys back. They don't want to return them, but you asking lets them know you know what they are up to. They try to stick to their guns on the number but you just keep asking for the keys back. They have two options, give you back the keys and you go on your way or they move the deal more in your direction.
2) Don't sign anything other than sales and retail contracts. The sales guy will love to write some numbers on a paper and ask you to sign and commit to them mentally.
3) Always have a finance approval letter with some rates/terms from another outside bank. This lets you have some idea how good their rate is plus gives them something to beat.
4) Tell the dealer you plan to keep the car exactly for the warranty period and get a new car when it's up. This cuts down on extended warranty pitches.

In the end if you review your skills and missteps and try to not repeat them after a few purchases you can be a lot more prepared. I have bought 5 cars on my own and I feel like I finally have a grip on the game.

You also have a great point once it's over be happy, you got a car you wanted and you did your best !
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      09-30-2018, 04:40 PM   #2235
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I'm new to this forum and not sure if this is the right place to post this so please let me know if this is the wrong thread but I was just hoping to see if the deal I'm getting is a good one.
Year/Model: 2013 320i xDrive
MSRP: $34,550
Listed Price: $13,576
Negotiated Price: $12,000
Miles: 86,000
Other Pertinent Information: All maintenance is up to date on this car at the planned date of sale except front breaks are at 20%.
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      10-02-2018, 10:55 PM   #2236
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@Jason can you posted 330 and 340i lease numbers?
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      10-03-2018, 11:09 AM   #2237
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@Jason can you posted 330 and 340i lease numbers?
I believe these are the numbers,

2018 Models
October
36mo

3 series

36mo
15k 58%
12k 60%
10k 61%

MF .00182

$3000 lease credit
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      10-05-2018, 07:12 PM   #2238
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I believe these are the numbers,

2018 Models
October
36mo

3 series

36mo
15k 58%
12k 60%
10k 61%

MF .00182

$3000 lease credit
Wow!! So deals actually got worse this month on the f30.... with the new car being unveiled. Dissapointing
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