[Apl440i or 335d?]

OK

You had me worried there! I was picturing a 5mm steering column attached via some lego!

[Alkidrew]

Here, this shows how it works and more found at the link below


http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesfor..._Dynamics1.pdf

[Apl440i or 335d?]

Cool

Thanks

I see what you mean by slight connection now!

[335dJa]

Originally Posted by Alkidrew

Here, this shows how it works and more found at the link below


http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesfor..._Dynamics1.pdf

An off topic but interesting point on page 35, it says the electronic dampers automatically adjust their settings according to driver manoeuvres. So they're not just set at a certain rate for each driving mode. This would explain why some people can't feel any difference at times and I suppose it also might help answer the original post subject, maybe not so off topic after all :-/

[Alkidrew]

Originally Posted by 335dJa

An off topic but interesting point on page 35, it says the electronic dampers automatically adjust their settings according to driver manoeuvres. So they're not just set at a certain rate for each driving mode. This would explain why some people can't feel any difference at times and I suppose it also might help answer the original post subject, maybe not so off topic after all :-/

Interesting, that was what I was expecting when I ticked the box.

However, I've tried to get my adaptive suspension to do this but don't notice it i.e. I've been in comfort then started to drive more aggressively and I don't feel the chassis tighten up. If I flick the switch to sport, yes, it makes a massive difference.

[335dJa]

Originally Posted by Alkidrew

Interesting, that was what I was expecting when I ticked the box.

However, I've tried to get my adaptive suspension to do this but don't notice it i.e. I've been in comfort then started to drive more aggressively and I don't feel the chassis tighten up. If I flick the switch to sport, yes, it makes a massive difference.

Possibly got this round my t!ts but I think it's an instantaneous reaction, if you suddenly swerve in comfort it will react to that one situation then resort back, not put you into a sportier mode. You'll never notice a difference because it will do the same thing, every time. The comfort and sport settings just give it a base parameter to work from.

[MRPoisson]

ASS still activates in Sport mode in mine - not tried it with the lever to the left mind

[dopper99]

Originally Posted by MRPoisson

ASS still activates in Sport mode in mine - not tried it with the lever to the left mind

Yes I realised this! Put it into Sport and it still cut out at the lights!

[Steve C]

Originally Posted by MRPoisson

ASS still activates in Sport mode in mine - not tried it with the lever to the left mind

No cut out in Sport mode on mine irrespective of where the lever is.

[gtsussex]

Originally Posted by BMWSKI

Having read the manual I'm still a bit uncertain what the settings really mean when setting up the sport mode??? Can anyone break it down for a beginner like me and maybe recommend what I should change it to?
I've had a go in sport mode with the gear shift over to the left and that makes everything very rapid
TIA

Okey dokes I have it set with just suspension on Sport so this means following -

Eco Pro - never use as nothing your right foot and a little common sense can't better

Comfort - ASS on (I could disable altogether with coding but I don't mind it), suspension on comfort, steering light and normal throttle response (2nd turbo takes a while to spool).

Sport - all that changes is suspension stiffens and steering gets heavier. Drivetrain still the same. To be honest, for most scenarios of fast progress, with the torque of 335d, this is fine. DSC and reaction behave as in Comfort

Sport + - as above with Sport but also now mapping on throttle response changes dramatically with 2nd turbo spooling pretty much immediately. DSC is now relaxed a little allowing you a reasonable slip angle before coming into play. Gearbox will tend to be in one gear lower at all times.

Gearbox D - you can at any point manually change but if left, the gearbox will go back to D.

Gearbox S - will drop down a gear lower (so if you're in Sport + that'll be two gears lower). Main advantage is now it will not go back to auto when you use paddles. Only REALLY annoying thing is if you kickdown, if it can change down it will. It shouldn't do that as could really leave you in shit in on limit (yes I know naughty to suggest on queens highway). Have to consciously never go past kickdown point.

DSC off - on adaptive will chose sport suspension and steering. you can also knock gearbox into Sport. However it will NOT put drivetrain into Sport which is a shame. Suppose most will never really turn DSC off but it is a shame.

Apart from that and fact that gear shifts are unnecessarily thumpy in sports gearbox modes (oh and the kickdown issue), it's not half bad.

Hope that helps!

[BMWSKI]

Thanks for this gtsussex. Although I'm still not sure what boxes I should tick in sport setup??? Sorry for being dumb but what actually happens/changes if I untick a box??? Is it that noticeable? I'm only at 900miles so still being a tad cautious!
I have adaptive btw...

[dopper99]

Great description Guy of the different modes.

However, doesn't just Sport mode give a better throttle response? Else this mode would do virtually nothing for the guys who have no adaptive?

I thought Sport mode does seem a little more responsive, to me.

[dopper99]

And does Sport+ mode change down the gear, even if Sport is configured for chassis only? (I must admit, not played around with Sport+ that much!)

[FastLaneJB]

The drivetrain is only the same in Sport if you've turned changing it off, surely?

Also you can tell what the steering is like with the electric steering off as it gets disabled when the engine cuts out with ASS. I noticed this when stopped at some lights and I guess tried to turn the wheel a tad as I took my foot off the brake as used to my old 330d starting to roll instantly but the engine hadn't quite kicked in.

[JohnM]

The air intake is set very low, so going through puddles could cause up to £12k of damage to your 6 cylinder engine if it sucks up plenty of water popped into my local dealer the other day, after the recent floods they had 5 f30's in with lunched engines, so take it steady

[Steve C]

Originally Posted by dopper99

However, doesn't just Sport mode give a better throttle response?
I thought Sport mode does seem a little more responsive, to me.

Yes, on mine sport gives a more immediate/linear throttle response. Easy way to check is to switch to this mode when you are driving with a light throttle and the car lurches forward.

[Steve C]

Originally Posted by JohnM

The air intake is set very low, so going through puddles could cause up to £12k of damage to your 6 cylinder engine if it sucks up plenty of water popped into my local dealer the other day, after the recent floods they had 5 f30's in with lunched engines, so take it steady

Oh dear! I haven't checked but do you know how high off the ground the intake is?

[alibonyad]

Going to ask a really stupid question but how do you alter the setting for sport mode etc ? To set it to chassis or transmission etc?

I haven't had chance to play about with all the menus yet!

[Steve C]

There's a button nr the gearstick which switches the mode from Eco Pro to Comfort to Sport to Sport +.

If you want the gearbox in sport mode, just push the gearstick to the left.

[dopper99]

Originally Posted by Steve C

There's a button nr the gearstick which switches the mode from Eco Pro to Comfort to Sport to Sport +.

If you want the gearbox in sport mode, just push the gearstick to the left.

I think he is asking how you configure the Sport button to be:

Chassis Only OR
Chassis and Drivetrain



I cant remember and I'm not digging out the handbook this time of night!

[alibonyad]

Originally Posted by dopper99

I think he is asking how you configure the Sport button to be:

Chassis Only OR
Chassis and Drivetrain



I cant remember and I'm not digging out the handbook this time of night!

Yes this is what I meant! I had a quick look on the iDrive this morning but couldn't see anything. I don't have the handbook to hand at the minute.

[gtsussex]

Originally Posted by BMWSKI

Thanks for this gtsussex. Although I'm still not sure what boxes I should tick in sport setup??? Sorry for being dumb but what actually happens/changes if I untick a box??? Is it that noticeable? I'm only at 900miles so still being a tad cautious!
I have adaptive btw...

You can select in the settings on iDrive whether you want just the suspension and steering (if you've got variable steering) or that AND the drivetrain.

Some like having the drivetrain ticked so it drops a gear and has sharper throttle response. If you've ticked it, will also stop ASS.

I find with the 335d, I've got so much torque that it's unnecessary and I only want the dampers and steering to firm up. I can still make indecent relaxed cross-country progress.

I then leave Sport + for playtime so for me that's when the drivetrain changes. Combined with fact DSC is relaxed, car takes on a whole new persona and my driving changes accordingly so it's kept for special occasions (usually wet roundabouts )

Everyone has their own preference. One thing to note for people without options ticked. If you don't have variable steering, this won't change regardless of what you press. If you don't have adaptive suspension, the damping will not change either. All that will change when you hit the Sport button is the drivetrain (lower gear and sharper throttle response). The difference then between that and Sport + would be the relaxing of the DSC.

The gearbox settings then remain totally separate. Go manual in D regardless of what mode you're in and if you leave it, it will go back to D. Go into Sport Auto, it'll drop a gear relative to mode you're in and it will hold gears EXCEPT frustratingly it will kickdown if you press down hard enough and there's room to drop a gear (which often is if you're riding torque and short shifting in slippery conditions).