[B58 parts]

Are you sure you the engine in there cannot just be repaired? I haven't read this whole dumpster fire of a thread, so maybe I missed a post where you included the actual diagnosis and it's something like you blew a hole in the block.

But I didn't see that. I only saw bad compression numbers. So ... do a leakdown test .. pull the head and go from there. It may just be a valve or hell even a head gasket. Unless you stated otherwise (I apologise for not reading) what you have can probably be rebuilt.

BMW are wankers and if a spark plug fouls they want everyone to fork over 25k for a new engine, as they think their customers are idiots, and a lot of them are.

[Beek]

Originally Posted by IK6SPEED

3 years and $65k plus out of my pocket in parts every month in legal fees.

Manufacturer indemnified Dealership so they took it all over. They spent over $100k in legal fees according to their filings.

I won. They purchased car back. But as in virtually all non-lemon law suits, attorney fees are not reimbursed.

Also means I had to keep non-functional car for 3+ years while suit went on and obviously that includes insurance etc.

Car MSRP was about $58k new.




There is a very expensive intake that is “very well respected” and used on many M Vehicles that changed their filters about a year ago because the filters were letting in particles that were destroying turbos fins and more.

I would post brand again but got tired of F8x owners who refused to believe it was true trying to argue something they knew nothing about.

At least IND sent new filters to everyone who had previously purchased. Of course, as reason was not told why, I’m betting most just thought....wow....free replacement...I’ll just hold on to it until I need it.

Look at the bright side, at least you won(?). Imagine going through all that shit and loosing. Thanks for sharing your experience.

[IK6SPEED]

Originally Posted by Beek

Look at the bright side, at least you won(?). Imagine going through all that shit and loosing. Thanks for sharing your experience.

Pretty impossible to lose in my case.

Physical evidence the entire jury could see as car was brought to a secure area of the courthouse and judge and jury were allowed to examine.

I sure wouldn't have done it to that extent if it was any ambiguity as would be the case if Car was modded.

In my case it was very straight forward.

They had attempted to repair twice to no avail. Thus would be impossible to deny repair based on anything I had done.

[Beek]

Originally Posted by IK6SPEED

Pretty impossible to lose in my case.

Physical evidence the entire jury could see as car was brought to a secure area of the courthouse and judge and jury were allowed to examine.

I sure wouldn't have done it to that extent if it was any ambiguity as would be the case if Car was modded.

In my case it was very straight forward.

They had attempted to repair twice to no avail. Thus would be impossible to deny repair based on anything I had done.

Some battles must be fought, on matter's of principle if for no other reason. I've fought a few myself and mostly got my ass kicked for my trouble. Never came away any richer and seldom any wiser but I always came away with my head held high, dignity and self respect are priceless in my opinion. Sounds to me like you did what you had to do, !

[IK6SPEED]

Originally Posted by Beek

Some battles must be fought, on matter's of principal if for no other reason. I've fought a few myself and mostly got my ass kicked for my trouble. Never came away any richer and seldom any wiser but I always came away with my head held high, dignity and self respect are priceless in my opinion. Sounds to me like you did what you had to do, !

Yes. Very damning opinions written by the judge about their delays and ignoring court orders remains on file and public record for anyone looking to take them on in the future, though they tried every avenue to suppress.

That was the gift that keeps on giving.

[jaxon20i]

Quick update:
Geico's MBI was no help, and ended up denying my claim. While I haven't been able to get any direct answers as to why, the gist of what they are saying is that BMW denied my warranty claim due to modifications, and they cant correctly find the cause of the damage because i returned my car back to stock (i put the factory intake back on)

In addition to this I got a pretty vague letter saying they are unable to provide coverage as stated in my policy amendment "Loss due to misuse, alteration, or lack of proper maintenance is not covered"

Needless to say, it smells like BS and almost as if they have taken the past couple months to find an excuse not to pay for an engine. It's unrelated, but I have also canceled my policy with Geico as a result of this.

To resolve the problem, i bought a low mileage used B58 from LKQ and am having Minicorsa in North Hollywood install it.

Cant wait to have a car again!

[White340]

Originally Posted by jaxon20i

Quick update:
Geico's MBI was no help, and ended up denying my claim. While I haven't been able to get any direct answers as to why, the gist of what they are saying is that BMW denied my warranty claim due to modifications, and they cant correctly find the cause of the damage because i returned my car back to stock (i put the factory intake back on)

In addition to this I got a pretty vague letter saying they are unable to provide coverage as stated in my policy amendment "Loss due to misuse, alteration, or lack of proper maintenance is not covered"

Needless to say, it smells like BS and almost as if they have taken the past couple months to find an excuse not to pay for an engine. It's unrelated, but I have also canceled my policy with Geico as a result of this.

To resolve the problem, i bought a low mileage used B58 from LKQ and am having Minicorsa in North Hollywood install it.

Cant wait to have a car again!

Wow! I was told by Geico three years ago that they would cover modified engines if the manufacturer denied a claim. That's why I bought the warranty to begin with. Were you able to find this quote on their main page? I didn't see any language like this when I got MBi through them. Are you going to follow up with a lawyer to ask BMW to prove that your intake caused this?

Sorry man

[Polo08816]

Originally Posted by jaxon20i

Quick update:
Geico's MBI was no help, and ended up denying my claim. While I haven't been able to get any direct answers as to why, the gist of what they are saying is that BMW denied my warranty claim due to modifications, and they cant correctly find the cause of the damage because i returned my car back to stock (i put the factory intake back on)

In addition to this I got a pretty vague letter saying they are unable to provide coverage as stated in my policy amendment "Loss due to misuse, alteration, or lack of proper maintenance is not covered"

Needless to say, it smells like BS and almost as if they have taken the past couple months to find an excuse not to pay for an engine. It's unrelated, but I have also canceled my policy with Geico as a result of this.

To resolve the problem, i bought a low mileage used B58 from LKQ and am having Minicorsa in North Hollywood install it.

Cant wait to have a car again!

But he said you should be good to go. BMW was supposed to foot the bill...

Originally Posted by kern417

The dealer pays for everything (really just parts) and sends a bill to the OEM. The OEM then pays for everything (parts + labor) and bills the supplier. The supplier also has to pay for 3rd party inspection and other increased quality measures until the issue is resolved. The rule of thumb is always to rectify the issue as quickly as possible, then find root cause later and sort out the financial portion in the background. Ideally the dealer/customer should never be left hanging waiting for approval to fix the car.

Now If the OEM reads a service write up that indicates the car was modified in a way that voids the warranty, then they will deny the claim. We typically requested parts be returned to us for analysis so we can verify it is an approved part and see if it was modified. Or in the OP's case, they often send field techs to review the vehicle before paying out the claim since the cost is so high.

If the OEM bills a supplier and the supplier say it's a design issue or installation issue at the factory that isn't their responsibility, they can deny the claim as well. For example, if the returned part shows signs of damage indicating that it was installed with improper tools, or the dealer comments that the part wasn't screwed in/clipped in properly. Then it's up to the OEM to either prove that the supplier is at fault or fix the issue with other measures. The supplier then does a chargeback for all incurred expenses due to the claim.

Ultimately the suppliers get the worst end of the deal. it's guilty until proven innocent at that point. And especially frustrating when engineers aren't cooperating or doing their due diligence in the investigation. A lot of times you can't tell if a part was damaged during manufacturing, installation or removal. So you really rely on the dealer's wording to understand what happened. But an easy one is if we didn't see the right supplier code/part number on the part, it wasn't ours. and it's the OEM's responsibility to chase the right one. that was rare, but it happened.

In the case of the filter example, you can't always tell (especially if the part was destroyed during the failure). But virtually every OEM part drawing includes an area for an OEM part number and/or some marking indicating compatibility. If, for example, an intake manifold was returned with no markings then we'd know it's not approved. But if it is sold under the OEM part number like what you see on ECS, RockAuto, etc., then it is approved.

The reason why some dealers are "mod-friendly" is because they're not stupid. They know they will get paid for service as long as they don't put in the service writeup that they replaced parts on a modified car. And usually those are the dealers that are honest about what caused the repair because they actually check into what happened and find the root cause of the issue.

[White340]

I always wondered why certain dealers are so eager to flag modified cars for even simple things since it also means the customer probably won't be coming back to them for service or other warranty work...


What happens if your car is leased and they void your warranty due to mods? At the end of the lease they are still taking it back and it's no longer your problem. Do they charge you for this?

[BLACK HAWK DOWN]

Originally Posted by White340

I always wondered why certain dealers are so eager to flag modified cars for even simple things since it also means the customer probably won't be coming back to them for service or other warranty work...


What happens if your car is leased and they void your warranty due to mods? At the end of the lease they are still taking it back and it's no longer your problem. Do they charge you for this?

I'm sure if it was a lease, you'd have to buy it out. But who knows. ....

[Polo08816]

Originally Posted by White340

I always wondered why certain dealers are so eager to flag modified cars for even simple things since it also means the customer probably won't be coming back to them for service or other warranty work...


What happens if your car is leased and they void your warranty due to mods? At the end of the lease they are still taking it back and it's no longer your problem. Do they charge you for this?

Originally Posted by BLACK HAWK DOWN

I'm sure if it was a lease, you'd have to buy it out. But who knows. ....

+1. I'm sure BMW has thought this out that you wouldn't just walk away from a lease scott free.

[riskmaker76]

Depending on the amount - its an option to have walked away and take the hit.. or just take them to court or arbitrator. Work and money but probably less then a new motor.

But sorry to hear this didnt work out.

Misfire from changing in take is absolute BS - that is issue is guaranteed to be some type of malfunction unrelated.

Best of luck with the new motor

[B58 parts]

Originally Posted by jaxon20i

To resolve the problem, i bought a low mileage used B58 from LKQ and am having Minicorsa in North Hollywood install it.

Curious what you've ended up paying for this, parts, and labor.


One thing I saw somewhere the other day is that the B58 uses "arc wire spray" for the cylinder walls and these cannot be re-honed as you'd easily do with any other sleeved block. That sucks

[Polo08816]

Originally Posted by riskmaker76

Depending on the amount - its an option to have walked away and take the hit.. or just take them to court or arbitrator. Work and money but probably less then a new motor.

But sorry to hear this didnt work out.

Misfire from changing in take is absolute BS - that is issue is guaranteed to be some type of malfunction unrelated.

Best of luck with the new motor

Originally Posted by YuminNuman

Curious what you've ended up paying for this, parts, and labor.


One thing I saw somewhere the other day is that the B58 uses "arc wire spray" for the cylinder walls and these cannot be re-honed as you'd easily do with any other sleeved block. That sucks

Once you have to buy a new motor, you would have spent about the same as a new M3.

Faster car, factory warranty, no downtime, and no more idiotic forum posts.... sounds like a better deal.

[B58togo]

Originally Posted by Polo08816

Once you have to buy a new motor, you would have spent about the same as a new M3.

Faster car, factory warranty, no downtime, and no more idiotic forum posts.... sounds like a better deal.

Well look at your amazing hindsight. So should every B58 owner who wants a faster car just buy an M3 to begin with, because one person had a major problem? It’s certainly not a better deal for the thousands who mod away and don’t blow a motor..

[Polo08816]

Originally Posted by Polo08816

Once you have to buy a new motor, you would have spent about the same as a new M3.

Faster car, factory warranty, no downtime, and no more idiotic forum posts.... sounds like a better deal.

Originally Posted by B58togo

Well look at your amazing hindsight. So should every B58 owner who wants a faster car just buy an M3 to begin with, because one person had a major problem? It’s certainly not a better deal for the thousands who mod away and don’t blow a motor..

If you're pushing your car hard enough that you're going to blow up a motor and not be able to afford a new motor out of pocket, then the answer is obvious - you would have been better of buying an M3.

Perhaps there are plenty of people who do significant powertrain modifications that don't truly push their cars for a sustained period of time to cause immediate and catastrophic problems.

But I can guarantee that if I took a tuned N55/B58 vehicle and drove it in back to back sessions HPDE sessions in the intermediate/advanced groups, your engine won't last nearly as long as the warranty period.

[riskmaker76]

Changing your intage filter (pretty that is what was done) wouldnt be considered a "Significant power train modification"

Its horrible it was covered honestly.. frankly it doesnt yield much more air then an K&N except adding noise

Originally Posted by Polo08816

If you're pushing your car hard enough that you're going to blow up a motor and not be able to afford a new motor out of pocket, then the answer is obvious - you would have been better of buying an M3.

Perhaps there are plenty of people who do significant powertrain modifications that don't truly push their cars for a sustained period of time to cause immediate and catastrophic problems.

But I can guarantee that if I took a tuned N55/B58 vehicle and drove it in back to back sessions HPDE sessions in the intermediate/advanced groups, your engine won't last nearly as long as the warranty period.

[jaxon20i]

Originally Posted by White340

What happens if your car is leased and they void your warranty due to mods? At the end of the lease they are still taking it back and it's no longer your problem. Do they charge you for this?

Originally Posted by BLACK HAWK DOWN

I'm sure if it was a lease, you'd have to buy it out. But who knows. ....

Originally Posted by Polo08816

+1. I'm sure BMW has thought this out that you wouldn't just walk away from a lease scott free.

My car is a lease with 23 months remaining, I have no clue what BMW does in cases like this but i'm planning on riding out the remainder of my lease and possibly ending it a few months early to move on to something else.

It isn't something they would go over in most lease end inspections either, and i should fly under the radar due to having the car in reasonably good shape, as well as being well under the mileage cap by the time the lease is up.

[jaxon20i]

Originally Posted by riskmaker76

Depending on the amount - its an option to have walked away and take the hit.. or just take them to court or arbitrator. Work and money but probably less then a new motor.

But sorry to hear this didnt work out.

Misfire from changing in take is absolute BS - that is issue is guaranteed to be some type of malfunction unrelated.

Best of luck with the new motor

That's what i believe too. Sadly after talking to a few lawyers they had all turned away my case. One lawyer said that he doesn't take cases with BMW because dealing with them is a nightmare.

Made more sense to cut my losses, buy a used motor and get back on the road.

[jaxon20i]

Originally Posted by YuminNuman

Curious what you've ended up paying for this, parts, and labor.


One thing I saw somewhere the other day is that the B58 uses "arc wire spray" for the cylinder walls and these cannot be re-honed as you'd easily do with any other sleeved block. That sucks

So far the engine has set me back a little under $3.2k, I'll post the final cost of everything when the repairs are done.

[jaxon20i]

Originally Posted by Polo08816

Once you have to buy a new motor, you would have spent about the same as a new M3.

Faster car, factory warranty, no downtime, and no more idiotic forum posts.... sounds like a better deal.

Originally Posted by Polo08816

If you're pushing your car hard enough that you're going to blow up a motor and not be able to afford a new motor out of pocket, then the answer is obvious - you would have been better of buying an M3.

I get where you're coming from, but I wasn't really expecting to blow an engine on a brand new car. And I wasn't pushing the car to that extent, spirited canyon driving every now and then but I've never tracked the car.

[B58togo]

Originally Posted by Polo08816

If you're pushing your car hard enough that you're going to blow up a motor and not be able to afford a new motor out of pocket, then the answer is obvious - you would have been better of buying an M3.

Perhaps there are plenty of people who do significant powertrain modifications that don't truly push their cars for a sustained period of time to cause immediate and catastrophic problems.

But I can guarantee that if I took a tuned N55/B58 vehicle and drove it in back to back sessions HPDE sessions in the intermediate/advanced groups, your engine won't last nearly as long as the warranty period.

Ok. Thanks for the guarantee. I'll eagerly await some actionable data to back up your "guarantee" that the tuned B58 won't last the 50k warranty after "back to back sessions HPDE sessions in the intermediate/advanced groups".

Originally Posted by jaxon20i

So far the engine has set me back a little under $3.2k, I'll post the final cost of everything when the repairs are done.

That's not too bad really. As the B58 continues to age, prices for used engines will only come down.